cpclee Posted August 11, 2006 Share #21 Posted August 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm observing a similar situation. With the magnifier attached, the finder image is slightly but visibly blurred and no diopter setting can bring it back. Interestingly I normally require zero to no diopter adjustment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 11, 2006 Share #22 Posted August 11, 2006 i will buy it from you if you want , need a second Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telyt Posted August 11, 2006 Share #23 Posted August 11, 2006 My magnifier arrived yesterday and I'm extremely underwhelmed. Either this unit is defective or my expectations are too high. I see a very very verrryy slight increase in magnification and it's a bit harder to see the corners of the viewscreen. Defective or otherwise mine's going back tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted August 12, 2006 Author Share #24 Posted August 12, 2006 I received mine today. Frankly it fits to my R8 perfectly but the magnification is not as much as expected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itn Posted August 12, 2006 Share #25 Posted August 12, 2006 The other choice shall be a Magnifier Eyecup (ME-1) for Olympus E-330 EVOLT which fits R8/9 + DMR. (Strictly speaking, light axis is bit shifted.) It's X1.2 only, however, I always placed it on my R9 + DMR. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 14, 2006 Share #26 Posted August 14, 2006 Just got one of these myself today... something else I need to buy Guy M. a beer for someday! What a great device--the R9 viewfinder is wonderful itself--this just makes it unreal. I just shot about 100 test images with the 80 1.4 lux--all between 1.4 and 2.8 (with most at around 1.6) and they're all dead on (well, except where I let the shutter drop too low). I tried not to take too long with focusing either, to mimic even conditions, and also in low light. Just great results. I was surprised about the amount of diopter adjustment I needed when I installed it, though. I normally take just the first "click" of positve diopter to shoot without glasses; I can usually get by at the 0 setting as well. When I installed the Brightscreen, it took all the negative diopter compensation the camera had to go into focus. I called Jim at Brightscreen to talk about this, and he said it was installed properly (really, there isn't much you could do wrong), and that the amount of diopter adjustment needed wasn't always based on an initial setting. He also said they were thinking of offering magnifiers with prescription lenses built-in, which would be fantastic. Ah well! I squeeked in ok with this, and it works really, really, well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 14, 2006 Share #27 Posted August 14, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm observing a similar situation. With the magnifier attached, the finder image is slightly but visibly blurred and no diopter setting can bring it back. Interestingly I normally require zero to no diopter adjustment. Hmm. I'm wondering if they have a whole batch of these that, for some reason, take a lot of negative diopter compensation. Would people mind noting what their original diopter setting was and then the compensation? As I mentioned, mine looks like Before: + 1 click After: all the way negative Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 14, 2006 Share #28 Posted August 14, 2006 Jamie mine was about 3 clicks adjustment also, must have something to do with the magnification and your eye or something. Jim mentioned to me the same thing about some user may need some correction pieces. I am far sighted if that helps, so i am on the plus side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobold Posted August 15, 2006 Share #29 Posted August 15, 2006 My eyes are like Guy's also; usually I need about +2. When I installed the magnifier on the R9/DMR, I needed to back off the diopter to about -0.5, from memory. This means that if you are already in the minus diopter range *before* installing the magnifier, you might not have enough negative diopter adjustment range left to get the finder image really sharp. I think any time a magnifier is used, a new diopter setting will be needed to get the finder image sharp. One solution here would be a Leica diopter adjustment, or wait for Jim to make other ranges available. I found the magnifier really improved the finder picture. The DMR crop is significant—1.37—so (for example) whereas you might be able to see pupils and so on really clearly if using the whole finder, that facility can be compromised significantly when fitting the same subject into a frame that's 30-odd per cent smaller. The good thing about the 1.2x magnifier is that the entire frame of the finder can still be seen, including the info along the bottom. hth, kl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
starwatcher Posted August 22, 2006 Share #30 Posted August 22, 2006 Got my one last weekend. I wear glasses during operating the R9; nevertheless have to set diopter to -1. Fitting the magnifier I am at the limit now: -3. But it works and it works very very well. But: I really wonder why this has not been identified as an issue during the development phase. I have heard from users, who are not able to work with the magnifier as diopter -3 is still insufficient. Guy, I recall that you have been part of the development (please correct me if I am wrong). Can you give a precise statement how that could happen and what Brightscreens plan is to resolve this and by when... Thanks and best - Klaus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 22, 2006 Share #31 Posted August 22, 2006 Klaus it is just they way the optics works i guess and we did bring this up to Jim with our prototypes. i did get a e-mail from him last week and he is starting to work on some diopters for those that fall off the diopter sttings. will check in with him and see how this is going. for most of us seems like not a issue but some folks seem to not get all the way with the magnifer and Jim wants to address that for them. But the design changes Kit and I recommended did happen with centering and knob placement and such, so Jim does work very hard at this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
starwatcher Posted August 22, 2006 Share #32 Posted August 22, 2006 Guy, this is very good news! It is important to know about Jims customer dedication and his efforts to help those who could/can not use the excellent tool. Pls keep us posted on progress. Many thanks and best regards - Klaus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobold Posted August 22, 2006 Share #33 Posted August 22, 2006 There have been a number of posts on this matter on the Fred Miranda site. There is no problem with the Brightscreen. It is simply that any magnifier requires about 1.5 dioptre adjustment to be able to be focussed, compared to the finder alone. If, as in Guy's and my cases, you need positive dioptre correction to use the R8/9 normally, then the R8/9 can be backed off to about the neutral point, and focus perfectly. If, OTOH, you need a bunch of negative correction to focus without the magnifier, there may not be enough extra negative correction to get focus. In these cases, you will need to fit the additional negative correction factor to the camera before you will be able to focus the Magnifier. hth, kl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
santila Posted August 28, 2006 Share #34 Posted August 28, 2006 I like the magnifier and using it but be careful with the rubber eyecup. I just lost my, called Brightscreen and it will be replaced by them. If you don't pay attention rubbed against close you can easly loose it!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roberth Posted August 28, 2006 Share #35 Posted August 28, 2006 I have 2 of the magnifiers, one for the DMR combo and one for my optional film back. The diopters are both set at there minimum but work so I am happy. They do protrude a bit making it a slight concern when putting the camera away in the bag or resting on your gut while you walk around but I have not had a problem with them yet. On the film R8 the holder cup does get in the way when you open and close the film door, I just fold the rubber up while the door is opening and closing but it has made my film exchange time a few seconds longer than it was before. I honestly feel this magnification shoudl have been built into the viewfinder in teh first place but I guess that would make it more difficult for people wearing glasses to see the whole viewfinder, always a compromise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted August 28, 2006 Share #36 Posted August 28, 2006 I like the magnifier and using it but be careful with the rubber eyecup. I just lost my, called Brightscreen and it will be replaced by them. If you don't pay attention rubbed against close you can easly loose it!! Yes - I lost mine too, in the same way. Replacements cost $20 each , so it pays to be careful! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter55 Posted August 28, 2006 Share #37 Posted August 28, 2006 Well I have the Leica 1.25x viewfinder magnifier for the "M" series camera. Cost was $289 + tax and S&H. I have just ordered a +0.5 Diopter to place into it $72 + tax + S&H. So over $400. Does the DMR 8/9 magnifier spoken of here work on the "M" cameras? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
santila Posted August 29, 2006 Share #38 Posted August 29, 2006 IMHO the eyecup should have been a threaded design attaching it to the magnifier to prevent suden loss. If one can decide not use it just as easy could been taken off as the the current design. I did voice my opinion to Brightscreen about this matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
11275 Posted August 29, 2006 Share #39 Posted August 29, 2006 There have been a number of posts on this matter on the Fred Miranda site. There is no problem with the Brightscreen. It is simply that any magnifier requires about 1.5 dioptre adjustment to be able to be focussed, compared to the finder alone. If, as in Guy's and my cases, you need positive dioptre correction to use the R8/9 normally, then the R8/9 can be backed off to about the neutral point, and focus perfectly. If, OTOH, you need a bunch of negative correction to focus without the magnifier, there may not be enough extra negative correction to get focus. In these cases, you will need to fit the additional negative correction factor to the camera before you will be able to focus the Magnifier. hth, kl I just want to mention that I purchased the magnifier on the rave reviews of Kit and Guy only to find out on my own that the unit does not work for those with negative diopter correction! It would have been nice to know this before the $25 shipping it cost me! BrightScreen of course does not mention this on their website either, nor do they refund shipping. The amount of corner vignetting was also not noted and this is significant for film users - not so much perhaps for those with the DMR. As was mentioned in another post "I see a very very verrryy slight increase in magnification" Actually I would say it is imperceptible and of no consequence in practical use. Yes, the rubber eyecup is also "fragile". Rather overpriced and underdeveloped. In all, I suppose I should have been more wary given the associations with the manufacturer but the enthusiasm seemed genuine and I would have been pleased if it had worked as described. Unfortunately it isn't even close to useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted September 11, 2006 Share #40 Posted September 11, 2006 Well, in light of the love it / hate it posts here on the magnifier I almost hate to report this, but..... I've found that depending on how I mount the Brightscreen magnifier I apparently need a different diopter compensation. Very strange. I'm talking about whether the screw is down and to the right or up and to the left of the viewfinder. Maybe my eyes are just changing rapidly (hmmm) or I'm really tired or something, but I'm getting a different diopter compensation by turning that thing around. Maybe the screw is putting a bit of pressure somewhere it shouldn't? I don't have it tight--only snug enough not to lose the magnifier. Anyone else see this? On a different but related note, my DMR also slipped off a tripod recently.... short story--incompatible arca-style lock plates.... and took a relatively soft landing (thanks to carpet). Most apparent damage was to the 35 'cron's lens hood. Sigh. But--and this is a big but-- now the DMR seems to be backfocusing. Crap. I've reset the screen, and I don't know, really, what else to do--so any suggestions would be helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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