NB23 Posted October 23, 2014 Share #21 Â Posted October 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I lost complete mojo for the 35 when I sold my pre-asph for a asph. I simply stopped using it. I thought I'd get the mojo back with a 35AA. But no. Â Then tried a 35 cron V.2. Got my mojo back. Â That's like traveling around the world and realize there's no place like home. I have no use for perfect lenses. And digital is so perfect, it almost killed my love for photography. Â Take a look at, for example, Koudelka's old images. The grays, the tones, the mood, what the image is like. That's all from old Leica glass. There's none of that today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Hi NB23, Take a look here Zeiss ZM 35mm f/1.4 Distagon. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
CheshireCat Posted October 23, 2014 Share #22 Â Posted October 23, 2014 The grays, the tones, the mood, what the image is like. That's all from old Leica glass. Â ... with a little help from Koudelka I doubt he would disappoint us with a ZM 35/1.4 Â But I understand your "mojo" point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted October 23, 2014 Share #23 Â Posted October 23, 2014 A lot of the mojo back in the days was created in the darkroom, with post-processing, and by the print specialists that most of the photographers of that time handed over their negatives to... Â What... You think the camera, film and lens created all that mojo by itself? Without processing, dodging and burning, and skilled printers? Â Sorry, bit it's kind of delusional to think that the images came out of the camera as they were. Even many, many, many years ago. Post-processing and image manipulation has ALWAYS been done, looooong before computers was a household item. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted October 23, 2014 Share #24  Posted October 23, 2014 A lot of the mojo back in the days was created in the darkroom, with post-processing, and by the print specialists that most of the photographers of that time handed over their negatives to... What... You think the camera, film and lens created all that mojo by itself? Without processing, dodging and burning, and skilled printers?  Sorry, bit it's kind of delusional to think that the images came out of the camera as they were. Even many, many, many years ago. Post-processing and image manipulation has ALWAYS been done, looooong before computers was a household item.  Oh come on now... I have enough shooting and darkroom experience to fully back what I said.  You seem to forget that the film technology is as perfect as can be. It reached its peak a long time ago.  Have you also forgot kodachrome? Bang, the image was there. In expert hands, a masterpiece was born at the moment of capture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkrzyzow Posted October 23, 2014 Share #25 Â Posted October 23, 2014 Personally a flat plane of focus is relatively unimportant to me, as I normally photograph three dimensional objects. Â Agreed. I would go further. In many situations a flat field lens provides an antiseptic rendering style that represents a real loss when compared to Leica's classic M lenses. I have been using the 50 APO and RX1 for the better part of a year, and can appreciate their many impressive qualities, but if put to the choice would keep the Rigid over the APO and the 35 FLE over the RX1. For me, it is not a close question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted October 23, 2014 Share #26 Â Posted October 23, 2014 Agreed. I would go further. In many situations a flat field lens provides an antiseptic rendering style that represents a real loss when compared to Leica's classic M lenses. I have been using the 50 APO and RX1 for the better part of a year, and can appreciate their many impressive qualities, but if put to the choice would keep the Rigid over the APO and the 35 FLE over the RX1. For me, it is not a close question. Â Well, with a myriad of the good post processing tools and plugins that are available, it is easy to take away details, add blur and bokeh, and soften things up, and essentially take details, resolution and sharpness out of an image. But those qualities to an image is impossible. Â What I need and want depends on what I'm making photographs of. But having an APO and a Lux, and a 35 FLE and a 35 Distagon, just to be able to cover both uses seems silly to me, when you can easily destroy pixels with many post processing tools to get about the same effect of using old glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted October 23, 2014 Share #27  Posted October 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, with a myriad of the good post processing tools and plugins that are available, it is easy to take away details, add blur and bokeh, and soften things up, and essentially take details, resolution and sharpness out of an image. But those qualities to an image is impossible. What I need and want depends on what I'm making photographs of. But having an APO and a Lux, and a 35 FLE and a 35 Distagon, just to be able to cover both uses seems silly to me, when you can easily destroy pixels with many post processing tools to get about the same effect of using old glass.  Oh! You mean I can get that legendary noctilux look while using a nikon 24-70 f2.8 and simply use those complex programs to destroy the image in a savant way?  Wow. This sounds horrible. If I had to put one single second in that BS-o-graphy it'd kill my love for the craft. Hm, sorry, there's no art in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmielx Posted October 23, 2014 Share #28 Â Posted October 23, 2014 It is very easy to apply a 6 bit code to a zeiss lens. The flange of new zeiss lenses has a grove around it. I simply applied small dabs of black enamel paint using a stencil printed on and then cut out of paper to mark the exact spots. On an M9 at least there is no need to paint on the white bits. The grove protects the paint from being rubbed off, but if desired the paint could easily be removed without damaging the flange. I have done this to my zeiss biogon 35mm and it works very reliably. Of course you can only use an existing Leica code, so you rely on finding a good match - I haven't had a problem with this so far. It would be interesting to hear how people get on with this lens and the code for the FLE for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Pandorf Posted October 25, 2014 Share #29 Â Posted October 25, 2014 Has there been any mention on much of the viewfinder is blocked by this lens? Looking at the Zeiss website they list the lens as being 3.3" long and uses the e49 filter size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 26, 2014 Share #30 Â Posted October 26, 2014 I have moved an off topic part of the thread to this new place: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/barnacks-bar/351387-there-no-art-photography-zeiss-zm.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share #31  Posted October 27, 2014 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2809759-post162.html  Testing the Zeiss Loxia, ZM 35 1.4 and Otus lenses on the A7r by Dirk De Paepe | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 28, 2014 Share #32 Â Posted October 28, 2014 Personally a flat plane of focus is relatively unimportant to me, as I normally photograph three dimensional objects. Â I doubt you have seen the degree of curvature that indergaard is referring to or you wouldn't make such a dismissive remark (IMO somewhat unbecoming of a moderator, though rather typical of you). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 28, 2014 Share #33 Â Posted October 28, 2014 I doubt you have seen the degree of curvature that indergaard is referring to or you wouldn't make such a dismissive remark (IMO somewhat unbecoming of a moderator, though rather typical of you). Â Jaap has made it redundantly clear that he is stating a personal, subjective valuation. Indergaard conceded earlier in this thread that the importance of the curvature may depend on what you photograph. Â You don't have to like moderators, but they have the same right to express their opinions as any other member. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted October 28, 2014 Share #34  Posted October 28, 2014 I have moved an off topic part of the thread to this new place: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/barnacks-bar/351387-there-no-art-photography-zeiss-zm.html  Thanks. I also recommend merging this and the other Zeiss 35/1.4 thread: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-lenses/346600-zeiss-has-new-35mm-1-4-a.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted October 29, 2014 Share #35 Â Posted October 29, 2014 Has there been any mention on much of the viewfinder is blocked by this lens? Looking at the Zeiss website they list the lens as being 3.3" long and uses the e49 filter size. I doubt if their target market factors in camera users without an EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted October 31, 2014 Share #36  Posted October 31, 2014 I fiddled with the lens today at the photo expo in nyc and was impressed. the build doesn't "feel" as solid or nearly as heavy as a Leica lens, but this is a feeling -- not science. Below are a few pictures I took wide open with not adjustments. Personally I was very impressed. It is a big lens, about as long as my 90mm m elmarit (last version made) and about as wide at the 75mm summicron. Weight wise, very very lite.....her are photos, nothing scientific, but enjoy . . . .  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!     Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!     ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235382-zeiss-zm-35mm-f14-distagon/?do=findComment&comment=2697919'>More sharing options...
Tmuussoni Posted October 31, 2014 Share #37  Posted October 31, 2014 I fiddled with the lens today at the photo expo in nyc and was impressed. the build doesn't "feel" as solid or nearly as heavy as a Leica lens, but this is a feeling -- not science. Below are a few pictures I took wide open with not adjustments. Personally I was very impressed. It is a big lens, about as long as my 90mm m elmarit (last version made) and about as wide at the 75mm summicron. Weight wise, very very lite.....her are photos, nothing scientific, but enjoy . . . . [ATTACH]465356[/ATTACH]   [ATTACH]465357[/ATTACH]   [ATTACH]465358[/ATTACH]  Thanks for posting these. Do you have any opinion about the viewfinder blockage? Is it excessive? I really like the rendering of this lens. The contrast is very Zeiss like (excelent) and very smooth bokeh indeed. No sign of field curvature. Next year I will have to choose my future 35mm: this Zeiss, the insanely priced Lux 35 FLE or the new Voigtlander 35 Ultron, which I am also very curious about. Great to have choices. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted October 31, 2014 Share #38 Â Posted October 31, 2014 didn't really notice any blockage. not saying there is none, but if i don't remember it, it couldn't have been too meaningful. Â the man in the glasses is the rep in the northeast for zeiss. he said it would be available in december but to get your name on a list. the product will come in waves, so when the december inventory is sold out, it will be couple of months before the next wave comes in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted October 31, 2014 Share #39 Â Posted October 31, 2014 that is the man in the glasses with the beard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesom3 Posted November 1, 2014 Share #40  Posted November 1, 2014 held one today, its light and not very big, should be shipping next month Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235382-zeiss-zm-35mm-f14-distagon/?do=findComment&comment=2698999'>More sharing options...
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