hlockwood Posted October 9, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 9, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) What is the likelihood that Leica will offer upgraded electronics, such as faster buffering, for the M9 and the MM? HFL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wda Posted October 9, 2014 Share #2 Posted October 9, 2014 Harry, only a Leica insider is likely to offer an informed guess. Personally I think it is unlikely, given the breadth of Leica's current commitments. But who knows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikonJeff Posted October 9, 2014 Share #3 Posted October 9, 2014 Considering they haven't bothered to address the last firmware update that was released with flaws over 1.5 years ago I would doubt it's even an idea at all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted October 9, 2014 Share #4 Posted October 9, 2014 None. The whole point of product enhancement, M8 to M9 to M240 is to get you to buy a new camera. The days of repair and return are long gone. Although to be fair to Leica, you can get the M9 fixed for now (I have). The upgrade is to replace. Leica is far from unique in this world. After all, with all the advances in technology no one can build a camera where a sensor can be replaced with an upgraded version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlockwood Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted October 9, 2014 None. The whole point of product enhancement, M8 to M9 to M240 is to get you to buy a new camera. The days of repair and return are long gone. Although to be fair to Leica, you can get the M9 fixed for now (I have). The upgrade is to replace. Leica is far from unique in this world. After all, with all the advances in technology no one can build a camera where a sensor can be replaced with an upgraded version? However, there are some who might say that the M240 is not exactly an upgrade to the M9 and certainly not to the MM. HFL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted October 10, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 10, 2014 it's an evolution designed for you to move up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted October 10, 2014 Share #7 Posted October 10, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) However, there are some who might say that the M240 is not exactly an upgrade to the M9 and certainly not to the MM. HFL I'd not bother with those "some". I think M9 is not an upgrade of Digilux 3. Should Leica upgrade my Digilux 3 to M8 or M-240? -- Yes!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 10, 2014 Share #8 Posted October 10, 2014 In answer to the OP's original question, there is zero chance of the M9 - or M-E and MM - being updated. It's old iron now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted October 10, 2014 Share #9 Posted October 10, 2014 Seriously - Leica offering upgrades for a 2009 camera is like BMW offering upgrades for their 2009 cars (absent a regulatory/safety recall or some such). Leica has offered upgrades (as in M9 to MP, or M8 to M8.2) when they are producing a NEW model that is the identical camera with the upgrades already included. So if an M-E2, with a bigger buffer, should appear, that might open the door for M9s to get the same upgrade. But that won't happen, since the whole point of the M-E is that it is cheap because Leica plans to invest no additional mental axle-grease in developing it. A cash cow with no R&D expense attached, for so long as people will buy it "as is." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 10, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 10, 2014 What is the likelihood that Leica will offer upgraded electronics, such as faster buffering, for the M9 and the MM? Zero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 10, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 10, 2014 Zero Zilch Nada Get an M and wait for an MM replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblutter Posted October 15, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 15, 2014 I'm waiting for visually compelling IQ upgrade, which may be years off if ever due to technical limitations. Very happy with M9P. Haven't lost any shots due to outdated ISO, buffer etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted October 17, 2014 Share #13 Posted October 17, 2014 All digital bodies eventually become paper weights. How usable and how collectable will depend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 17, 2014 Share #14 Posted October 17, 2014 What is the likelihood that Leica will offer upgraded electronics, such as faster buffering, for the M9 and the MM ZERO Leica has joined the paradigm of rapidly obsoleted, disposable cameras and holds the lead as the most obscenely expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfloid Posted October 18, 2014 Share #15 Posted October 18, 2014 Leica is a company that markets its products with the air of longevity about them, that they are somehow 'digital und langlebig' (digital with a long life) - that was a slogan used with the M8. Ha, ha. And 'Die Wenigsten Dinge halten ein Leben lang' (Only a few things last a lifetime) and 'Unter allen denkbaren Bedingungen soll die M beständig, verlässlich ind robust seine' (Under any conditions you can think of the M will be long-lasting, reliable and robust.) They say it, but it does not make it true (in the US it could even be actionable). Of course, it is just that, marketing, and little else. They are digital products and no matter how finely the exterior is made, or how robust any mechanics are, they are basically disposable products, which are relatively quickly superseded by newer, more up-to-date models - when the M8 sensor goes, it is a useless paperweight, the same will also happen to the M9 and Monochrom. The company plays on people's desire for the longevity, the long market relevance their mechanical cameras offered, and many people's desire to identify with high quality, hand made artisanal objects. The lenses still do fulfil these requirements for the while, but the cameras definitely don't, and in the new digital world, never will. Most photographers understand that Leica offers something unique - the relatively small size of full frame, the unique rangefinder experience, great ergonomics and great, small lenses. They also know that as far as the digital and electronic innards are concerned they are buying relatively primitive stuff, which is way off the technological cutting edge - slow chips, less than reliable electronics, the awful screen on the M8/9, potential card reading problems, and for plenty of people less than optimal reliability. This is, unfortunately, the price one has to pay for small scale, almost boutique production levels and no large electronic company behind them.They are getting much better with the new factory, more employees trained up and the new S and M cameras, but they will never compete on the same level with the Japanese camera giants. If you want speed and reliability, then Canikon is, at least in my direct experience, in that regard, better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 18, 2014 Share #16 Posted October 18, 2014 ... when the M8 sensor goes, it is a useless paperweight, ... To the best of my knowledge this is not true. The M8 is still fully supported with the exception of the display panel. There is a number of M8 which run the risk that some kind of stain will develop on the display which may be permanent or not. As Leica have run out of spares they will be unable to fix discolored or broken displays. However, they will offer a special discount when you elect to buy a later model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfloid Posted October 18, 2014 Share #17 Posted October 18, 2014 Thanks for the correction. Either way though, they still become paperweights and are a very, very long way from something that lasts a lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 18, 2014 Share #18 Posted October 18, 2014 Either way though, they still become paperweights and are a very, very long way from something that lasts a lifetime. They may or they may not (also depending on the owner’s age), but what has it go to do with the notion Leica should offer an electronics upgrade? No vendor offers anything like that and frankly it wouldn’t make much sense. An M9 will probably continue to work just fine for many years and if it doesn’t it will still be serviceable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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