swamiji Posted March 12, 2014 Share #21 Posted March 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well the premiss of the is silly. The price of the M240 is the same as the M9 at introduction. Their is no reason to believe a M360 would be any higher. Even the MM is about the same price as a M9p. So the question should be, Would you upgrade to the next M just for higher MP? The answer to that is camera independent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest redge Posted March 12, 2014 Share #22 Posted March 12, 2014 It is on point. I would not spend $9000 to 'upgrade' from one limited camera (the M240 falls short of the 5D2 across a number of significant dimensions) to another limited camera. Yes, well what you're really saying is that Canon is better than Leica. We could have that discussion, but it has pretty obviously nothing to do with this thread, not to mention that it has been discussed ad nauseam. I guess one question, given that this is a sub-forum for people who own, or are interested in, the M 240, is why you would pop up - as someone who not only doesn't own an M240, but apparently no Leica digital camera - for no apparent purpose than to list a bunch of reasons why you think your Canon is better. Rather odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berth Posted March 12, 2014 Share #23 Posted March 12, 2014 Yes, well what you're really saying is that Canon is better than Leica. We could have that discussion, but it has pretty obviously nothing to do with this thread, not to mention that it has been discussed ad nauseam. I guess one question, given that this is a sub-forum for people who own, or are interested in, the M 240, is why you would pop up for no apparent purpose than to list a bunch of reasons why you think your Canon is a better camera. Rather odd. Actually, I don't think my Canon 5D2 is a better camera than my Leica MP, it's a different camera for difference applications. From the narrative here among M240 owners, the Canon does seem to be superior to the M240. Perhaps those Leica narratives are misleading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redge Posted March 12, 2014 Share #24 Posted March 12, 2014 Actually, I don't think my Canon 5D2 is a better camera than my Leica MP, it's a different camera for difference applications. From the narrative here among M240 owners, the Canon does seem to be superior to the M240. Perhaps those Leica narratives are misleading. As I'm sure you understand, this thread is not about your Canon digital camera vis a vis Leica's film cameras. Indeed, it isn't about Leica film cameras at all. The thread is in the Leica M 240 sub-forum, which unsurprisingly is about the Leica digital M 240. Surely you noticed that. While you may fervently believe that your beloved Canon is superior to an M 240, the relative merits of those cameras is, believe it or not, not the subject of this thread. The subject, as should be quite clear from the title, is "Would you upgrade to a 36MP successor for $9,000"? The problem, apart from the fact that you seem to have decided to use this thread to prosthelytize about your Canon, is that your assertions - also believe it or not - are not exactly self-evident, which means that a perfectly reasonable discussion risks going right off the rails into a completely unrelated discussion. If you want to talk about the superiority of your Canon camera, why don't you start a thread about it? You could call it "Why a Canon Mark X is better than a Leica M240" or, if you really want to go for it, "Why a Canon Mark X is better than any Leica digital camera ever made and will continue to be in the future". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berth Posted March 12, 2014 Share #25 Posted March 12, 2014 As I'm sure you understand, this thread is not about your Canon digital camera vis a vis Leica's film cameras. Indeed, it isn't about Leica film cameras at all. The thread is in the Leica M 240 sub-forum, which unsurprisingly is about the Leica digital M 240. Surely you noticed that. While you may fervently believe that your beloved Canon is superior to an M 240, the relative merits of those cameras is, believe it or not, not the subject of this thread. The subject, as should be quite clear from the title, is "Would you upgrade to a 36MP successor for $9,000"? I'll accept your comments in the spirit of which I'm sure they're given. Is ~12MP worth $9,000? For me the answer is no, there would have to be more, much more, regardless of camera brand. Of course the whole thread is a pure hypothetical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redge Posted March 12, 2014 Share #26 Posted March 12, 2014 I'll accept your comments in the spirit of which I'm sure they're given. Is ~12MP worth $9,000? For me the answer is no, there would have to be more, much more, regardless of camera brand. Of course the whole thread is a pure hypothetical. Meanwhile, the M 240 is a 24MP camera. As in 240. Which is why the title of the thread, about a 36MP camera, asks whether people would upgrade to an M 360. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berth Posted March 12, 2014 Share #27 Posted March 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Meanwhile, the M 240 is a 24MP camera. As in 240. Which is why the title of the thread, about a 36MP camera, asks whether people would upgrade to an M 360. For $9,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 12, 2014 Share #28 Posted March 12, 2014 This is one of those threads that needs bookmarking and returning to in a couple of years. "Never say never" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted March 12, 2014 Share #29 Posted March 12, 2014 On that factor alone: No. The A2 prints from my M9 are breath taking. I see no need for more mega pixels. If Leica released a pared back M, though; with some interesting features (or lack of), I might be tempted. I'm one of those shallow people that bought M8.2, M9-p. Though I like to think that's because I prefer equipment that's fully tested and benefits from enhancements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted March 12, 2014 Share #30 Posted March 12, 2014 $9k is approaching medium format pricing. I think that price will be outside of what I am comfortable spending for a sub-MF camera. More than the price, I would be concerned about the type of shutter speeds required for camera shake to be not visible in a 36mp camera. I'm one of the few m series (M9) users who uses the camera mounted on a tripod more than I use it without one. Despite that, I highly value the ease with which the Leica M series can be handheld and produce acceptably sharp results. I would it trade this for a higher mp count and the benefits it brings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted March 12, 2014 Share #31 Posted March 12, 2014 When I went from the M9 to the M240 I was surprised at the lack of sharpness at the pixel level. Of course there are more pixels so that is masked at the photo level. So I am rethinking how I shoot with the M240, either higher shutter speeds or more use of Tri-pods seems to be what is needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted March 12, 2014 Share #32 Posted March 12, 2014 I'm thinking this will be my last Leica. 24mp is fine for what I need. I used this have more commercial work and I was always holding out for that camera that could shoot a bill board size image. I never did shoot for billboards so it's become apparent that the higher the res the photographer does not make. For my applications this is a fine resolution. Some chap made $15k the other day selling Instagram prints. Seriously, resolution is rather overrated in many circles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethbrp Posted March 12, 2014 Share #33 Posted March 12, 2014 I think the 240 closed some technological gaps over previous M cameras (such as live view and video). Given the minimalist philosophy, its difficult to see where Leica could add significant functionality that would justify spending that much money to displace my M. I don't think just adding megapixels will do that. Offering significant dynamic range improvements would be a good area to focus on. Though, I'm quite impressed with the way the current 240 works in that respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted March 12, 2014 Share #34 Posted March 12, 2014 I've got the M240 and I don't think the next M will cost 9000 dollar, it'll just be the same price as the prices are now... plus inflation or calculation for the bad dollar index... so talking about dollars in this thread is already not smart... you should talk in the currency of the seller, in this instance that is the Euro. I think it'll be same priced as the current Leica, since this one will discontinue, and the next will take it's place... No I will not upgrade, because I don't feel the need at the moment, I will not upgrade JUST for more pixels because 24 is already more than enough for me. I would upgrade for other new things like only seeing the framelines of the lens you're using, no longer the 2 frames together... this would be possible if they use the mechanical selector+6bit identification. And change of the rangefinder masking system. further more, I don't like the EVF 'HOLE' in the back of my camera, and I don't like the 'EVF HOLE HOTSHOE PROTECTOR' either... not that I think the'll get rid of it but o well. Also I don't like the shutter release button, yes its better than on the M8/M9 etc. but I don't like the fact that the last part feels as a button, rather than a mechanical 'slide'. I'd like a saphire screen, so maybe... some time... I'll upgrade mine to a M240P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted March 12, 2014 Share #35 Posted March 12, 2014 I'm thinking this will be my last Leica.. That's what I was thinking about the M9 (and I am equally happy with 18MP). But the reality of digital technology seems to be that an M9 or M240 will likely not last for many years without obsolescence or irreparable problems. The M8 is a case in point. So, either we will not replace our beloved M9 or M240 with another Leica when they give up the ghost, or we are facing periodic *forced* upgrades. See you at 60MP! By the way, at 60MP, absent in-camera stabilization, we will be facing the need of constant tripod use - not just because our hands will be shaking more, but because the pixels will show every movement. So, one might well ask, what is the point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted March 12, 2014 Share #36 Posted March 12, 2014 I "upgraded" from the M9 to the M. Of the many differences the larger pixel count was nearly a show stopper for me. I'd have preferred larger pixels with (still) less noise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest odeon Posted March 12, 2014 Share #37 Posted March 12, 2014 I'm waiting for Leica M (typ 480). It will be the noticeable upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted March 12, 2014 Share #38 Posted March 12, 2014 For many people, a sensible way of keeping reasonably up to date in the digital world may be to upgrade to each alternate new model; skip one, buy one and so on. Or resist the temptation to consider buying new cameras just because they exist. Harder said than done a lot of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gilgamesh Posted March 12, 2014 Share #39 Posted March 12, 2014 Beth's answer is on the money and wholly accurate & if I were buying over again that's the route I would take…..one correction however, the finest Street Photography lens is the 35mm and not the 28mm or 50mm & for the money, it'd be the Ziess f2. http://player.vimeo.com/video/86852217 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 12, 2014 Share #40 Posted March 12, 2014 If Leica announced a new 36 mp M in the works for $9000 USD. And most other features were the same as M(240. Would you upgrade? I doubt that replacing the current M (Typ 240) is a pressing concern for Leica at the moment. And of course a $9000 price tag would be quite ridiculous. Ah, and by the way: even if a new M had a 36 MP sensor, that would not imply it would get a Typ 360 designation. Leica’s Typ numbers don’t usually correspond to the number of megapixels in any way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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