mat_mcdermott Posted April 23, 2007 Share #21 Posted April 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wonder how much a Luigi case would damp the M8 noise? Yes, I wonder that too. I've never used a leather case, but would certainly consider one if it dampened the shutter noise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest sirvine Posted April 23, 2007 Share #22 Posted April 23, 2007 I think it's optimistic to think Luigi's case is going to help. I have the half case and I don't notice it being much quieter. Shutter noise is not a big deal for me though, FWIW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted April 23, 2007 Share #23 Posted April 23, 2007 Well, so much for that one... I don't think the noise is unacceptable in the vast majority of circumstances, but it's those few times where it does matter that stick in your mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted April 23, 2007 Share #24 Posted April 23, 2007 I've just done my own test with M6 TTL, M7 and M8. To get a sense of what the M8 SHUTTER noise is like I simply shot in a room with very low light so that there was a clear separation between the shutter release and the the re-cocking. To my ear there's pretty well no difference between the shutter sound of the M6, M7 and M8 - ALL the difference comes with the motorised re-cocking. Conclusion - PLEASE Leica, in the next firmware is it possible to have as an option that re-cocking only happens when you take your finger off the shutter release (OR simply make this the default in S mode). This would be so intuitive and easy to work with. Raise the camera, focus, meter, shoot. If you're in a quiet space, bring the camera down and hold inside your jacket to re-cock. Guy, Sean, Stefan, anyone from Leica following this thread, GREAT if it's possible to act on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted April 23, 2007 Share #25 Posted April 23, 2007 i just sent this to Stefan , nice idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolfe Posted April 23, 2007 Share #26 Posted April 23, 2007 Is an old-fashioned film advance lever out of the question to cock the shutter, eliminating the noisy motor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted April 23, 2007 Share #27 Posted April 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) David, I would love that, but check out Mark Norton's thread on taking apart the M8. I have no idea where they might fit the mechanism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted April 23, 2007 Share #28 Posted April 23, 2007 I just ran my own subjective test of shutter sound in front of the camera. I've always wondered what the difference was between the behind the lens sound and what it sounds like from the subject's perspective. I set the camera on a tripod, tripped the shutter with the 12s self-timer and ran around to about 12 feet away. The noise level was much reduced, though the effect was most noticable in the cocking of the shutter. The actual exposure seemed about the same as when you have the camera to your eye, but the cocking noise was markedly quieter. .................... I've found if the camera is on a tripod the apparent noise level can be much higher, especially if the tripod is on a wooden floor. The quietest mode of operation is hand held. I also would like the option of delaying shutter cocking until the release is released. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hahn73 Posted April 23, 2007 Share #29 Posted April 23, 2007 Conclusion - PLEASE Leica, in the next firmware is it possible to have as an option that re-cocking only happens when you take your finger off the shutter release (OR simply make this the default in S mode) Would probably depend on if the motor is activated electronically. If it's mechanically activated by the shutter firing, then I'm guessing this isn't possible. Anyone know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc yyy Posted April 23, 2007 Share #30 Posted April 23, 2007 a related thread: LINK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted April 23, 2007 Share #31 Posted April 23, 2007 Would probably depend on if the motor is activated electronically. If it's mechanically activated by the shutter firing, then I'm guessing this isn't possible. Anyone know? Both the shutter release and the motor wind are controlled by the microprocessor.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted April 23, 2007 Share #32 Posted April 23, 2007 Than it is certainly possible to control this via firmware. if you hold the release down just kick off the rewind until shooter deems a good time to do it by releasing his finger but can only work in single mode. Continous mode this would not work. i actually like this idea and is the simplist way to control the rewind without getting into tearing the body apart and trying to add insulation or something of that nature. I remember having a camera able to do this but can't remember which one it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted April 23, 2007 Share #33 Posted April 23, 2007 David, I would love that, but check out Mark Norton's thread on taking apart the M8. I have no idea where they might fit the mechanism. Definitely no space in the camera itself but it would be possible to add a Leicavit style attachment which would clip to the bottom of the camea and engage with the copper-coloured bar through the plastic cover plate and move it in the direction of the arrow. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/22237-m8-shutter-noise/?do=findComment&comment=236798'>More sharing options...
robertwright Posted April 24, 2007 Share #34 Posted April 24, 2007 Than it is certainly possible to control this via firmware. if you hold the release down just kick off the rewind until shooter deems a good time to do it by releasing his finger but can only work in single mode. Continous mode this would not work. i actually like this idea and is the simplist way to control the rewind without getting into tearing the body apart and trying to add insulation or something of that nature. I remember having a camera able to do this but can't remember which one it was. the canon F-1n had it with the optional drive mounted. great idea. btw, the F-1n had an electro mechanical shutter release that was only TWO stages and did the same job, and smoother. We don't need no 'stinkin three stage release as they say. one touch and release would wake the camera up, holding the release down in the first stage as you do with every other camera known in existence would memorize the reading, the second stage is release. If you want to memorize a new setting, you take your finger off the shutter and recompose and hold a new setting. Can someone point to a real logical reason why the extra wake stage? it would wake just the same with two stages. Are leica users somehow more prone to leaving their fingers on the release, thereby making it more difficult to un-memorize meter readings? I really don't get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted April 24, 2007 Share #35 Posted April 24, 2007 I've found if the camera is on a tripod the apparent noise level can be much higher, especially if the tripod is on a wooden floor. The quietest mode of operation is hand held. Yes, I noticed the same thing doing my test, regarding the tripod and my wooden floors. Though, as I was the only person around at the time I couldn't very well hand hold the camera and run around to the front at the same time ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted April 24, 2007 Share #36 Posted April 24, 2007 Yes, I noticed the same thing doing my test, regarding the tripod and my wooden floors. Though, as I was the only person around at the time I couldn't very well hand hold the camera and run around to the front at the same time ... 12s self-timer? Hand-holding is harder, but perhaps placing the camera on a bean bag might simulate the sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted April 24, 2007 Share #37 Posted April 24, 2007 I've found if the camera is on a tripod the apparent noise level can be much higher, especially if the tripod is on a wooden floor. The quietest mode of operation is hand held. I also would like the option of delaying shutter cocking until the release is released. Bob. You need to get a tripod that has rubber feet on it. I don't notice any increase in sound when using a manfrotto aluminum tripod with rubber feet on a wooden floor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitnaros Posted April 24, 2007 Share #38 Posted April 24, 2007 I concur to the idea of enabling a delayed recocking via firmware. Let me shoot in stealth mode; I rewind later (when time is appropriate; say under a jacket). This would be a very very good enhancement without hardware impact. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Raucher Posted April 24, 2007 Share #39 Posted April 24, 2007 Here's one more request to Leica for the suggested stealth firmware upgrade. Stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevez4 Posted April 25, 2007 Share #40 Posted April 25, 2007 Thank you for the shot of M8 guts, Mark. I wonder if a good repairman could replace the garbage gears inside with brass and thus eliminate shutter noise. This is what Matry Forscher used to do for those of us who required silence in shooting. Ah the days of 37 West 47th Street....Professional Camera Repair could do anything to a Leica in twenty four hours. I guess I am just a dinasuar in the forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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