PabloR Posted November 30, 2013 Share #1 Posted November 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) hi I am going to crazy. Does anybody of you shoot a Leica over the X-Sync with manual flashes??? Please, don't answer about hss, ttl, etc... I need to do Hyper Sync with Leica M and studio flashes. This is Hyper Sync Did you saw anytime a picture taken with a Leica at 1/1000th of a second ??? for example... Hope anybody of you could help me, please, I am getting crazy... Thanks!!! Pablo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JeffWright Posted December 7, 2013 Share #2 Posted December 7, 2013 hi I am going to crazy. Does anybody of you shoot a Leica over the X-Sync with manual flashes??? Please, don't answer about hss, ttl, etc... I need to do Hyper Sync with Leica M and studio flashes. This is Hyper Sync Did you saw anytime a picture taken with a Leica at 1/1000th of a second ??? for example... Hope anybody of you could help me, please, I am getting crazy... Thanks!!! Pablo HyperSync is only officially supported on Nikon and Canon systems with dedicated hardware, I suppose you could try contacting PocketWizard directly for their help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted December 7, 2013 Share #3 Posted December 7, 2013 No I have never heard of HyperSync but do use HSS on the SF58, but that is apparently not what you're looking for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloR Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted December 9, 2013 thank you I have asked to PW last week and them answer we are not enough people demanding Leica supports, so it is not supported and will not suported in the future So we cannot go beyond 1/180 wich is our speed. Bad news in relation to a just firmware improvement. Now I think, as Leica has bought Sinar and Broncolor, they will design a radio trigger for proffesionals. Hope so, but not probably. --- Another solution is to use fast flashes, about 1/13000 flash duration, and stop the action in the x-sync. But I dont know how it works... ciao Pablo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted December 11, 2013 Share #5 Posted December 11, 2013 The “HSS Hack” should work with the M and the SF58 (plus a servo trigger and an ordinary Pocket Wizard unit). What Pocket Wizard now sells as HyperSync is basically the same, only in a simplified and more streamlined implementation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloR Posted December 11, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted December 11, 2013 Mjh, Don´t Understanding HyperSync and High Speed Sync - PocketWizard Wiki But, what exactly do you mean with "hack"??? answer from Leica: "there is no option to use the flash SF 58 wireless. We are not able to give you a more favorable reply." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloR Posted December 11, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted December 11, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) and what do you mean with "ordinary PW"? for HSS you need TTL protocol with the camera, and PW doesnt build an Leica trigger! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted December 12, 2013 Share #8 Posted December 12, 2013 Mjh, Don´t Understanding HyperSync and High Speed Sync - PocketWizard Wiki But, what exactly do you mean with "hack"??? ‘HSS Hack’ is what PocketWizard calls it in the Wiki; I thought you were familiar with this method. It inspired the HyperSync stuff PocketWizard is now offering. The main idea behind HyperSync it to trigger the flash when the first curtain opens. Unfortunately a focal plane shutter normally only supports triggering the flash either after the first curtain is open (first curtain sync) or shortly before the second curtain starts closing (rear-curtain sync). But there is one exception: when you use an external flash in HSS mode (and the camera supports HSS), the flash will be triggered when or shortly before the first curtain starts opening. This is exploited by the HSS Hack: You use an external flash and set it to HSS. Then you tape a sensor to the flash and connect that sensor to a transmitter that will wirelessly trigger a studio flash (or whatever). This means you use HSS mode just to get a trigger signal with the desired timing. Obviously this works (with some amount of trial-and-error anyway) as long as the camera and the flash unit used support HSS. Now of course an external flash, a sensor, and a transmitter, all held together by tape, makes for an ugly contraption, but there you are. The cleaner solution would be a transmitter that just tells the camera it was a flash in HSS mode, which is more or less what PocketWizard is offering as ‘HyperSync’. But this requires individual versions for all the proprietary TTL protocols used by the various camera vendors, and there’s nothing for Leica’s system as of yet (and there may never be, given Leica’s relatively small market share). On the other hand, the ‘HSS Hack’ is a viable, if somewhat clumsy alternative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted December 13, 2013 Share #9 Posted December 13, 2013 Thanks MJH that actually sound like something I'm gonna try in studio! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloR Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted December 16, 2013 excuse me MJH but you dont know nothing about what you are talking about. I will dont waste my time answering you. First read and after advice the people, ok? HSS is NOT the same that Hyper Sync. So, you can do Hyper Sync with studio flashes. by the moment I dont know any hss studio flash, do you? go on with your photography and good luck at the beggining of the post I write "Please, don't answer about hss" or similar thanx for reading and excuse my english, regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 16, 2013 Share #11 Posted December 16, 2013 thanx for reading and excuse my english, regards Your English is excused, your manner of addressing another member who tried in good faith to help you is not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloR Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted December 16, 2013 Mjh, excuse me. i were working and sometimes loose control Hss are several flash shots in a very short time. Hyper sync is use a slow flash as continuous light. I were reading and reading how to sync that way with leica, but it is not possible because no trigger companies support Leica. After this post PW answer me there is not hyper sync solution for Leica users, neither with Leica answer. Excuse me Regards P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted December 17, 2013 Share #13 Posted December 17, 2013 Hss are several flash shots in a very short time. Hyper sync is use a slow flash as continuous light. I know. And the key to HyperSync is to sync the flash with a specific timing that the camera doesn’t natively support. So the question is: how can I achieve this timing even without the camera’s support? I were reading and reading how to sync that way with leica, but it is not possible because no trigger companies support Leica. Please re-read my explanation of how you can. While it is not as elegant as true HyperSync (it’s a hack after all) it achieves the same results. It seems that you have chosen to ignore any advice that involves HSS in any way but note that in this case, the use of HSS doesn’t imply it was used for actual lighting; its only use here is to create a sync impulse with the required timing. Again: I am not suggesting to use HSS instead of HyperSync, only to achieve the exact same results as HyperSync with a contraption that happens to include an HSS-capable flash as one component, even when you don’t see that HSS flash light and it isn’t used for illuminating your subject either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted December 17, 2013 Share #14 Posted December 17, 2013 Just buy an S2 already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloR Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share #15 Posted December 17, 2013 I think I understand what you mean, but did you tried? I think a tried this months ago, when a bought a 5D III. I were on the studio and i used a HSS flash as trigger with studio flashes. I tried to sync the shutter over x-sync firing hss mode on the 5D hot sue, but the flashes didnt synchronize as hyper sync. The black line of the second curtain appears as always. If I use metz HSS with Leica M probably will happen the same. Hyper sync shot flashes before the first curtain, but i dont think hss shot the flash at this time. do you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloR Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted December 17, 2013 Just buy an S2 already? if you want to buy me one as a present I will try, for me is ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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