AdobePhotoshop CC is here....

[Hookeye]

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Interesting read on CC, I hope the link works:

 

http://nyti.ms/163n54A

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[stunsworth]

I have been using the full suite & now CC for over a year. My wife is a graphic artist & water colorist. I can use every piece of Adobe's enormous tool chest to design & then setup the entire infrastructure to print her work. It is very cost effective and efficient

 

If you use the full suite I agree, but for anyone wanting to just use say 3 of the applications it would cost them approx. £600 ($900) a year here in the UK. That's a lot of money, especially if you already have earlier versions of the applications that normally would only require the purchase of an upgrade per application (£150-200) every couple of years - or three to four years if you were prepared to skip a version before updating.

[wda]

So one buys a 1 year contract at £120, cancel and walk away with a fully functioning copy of PS. CS6 was (is) what $600 something?? Doesn't make much sense from a business model perspective.

Perhaps I misunderstood.???

William, I guess if you did not renew your subscription your licence would expire automatically and you would be left with no Photoshop software to use on your machine.

[Guest WPalank]

I share your concern about Google. Although they made Nik software cheaper, I just don't feel like I am dealing with an entity that is focused on improving the product. Moreover, the new Nik website is terrible. Somewhere you can find all the videos, but the new simplified home page is sketchy.

 

Yes, this has me worried as well as to what direction Google is going to head with Nik. Being in San Francisco (where Google+ is based), I have gone on several Photowalks with the team.

A recent Photowalk through SF timed at the Google Developers Conference had over 1000 photographers present. One of the leaders is quite often the Lead Developer for OnOne Software, Brian Matiash. Whether Google plans to buy them out as well and just create a Plug-In mishmash, not sure. No-one will talk on the Google end.

Good news is that all of us were given the complete Nik set and the complete OnOne set for being present.

 

At the current price of the Nik Suite, can Google afford or do they even intend on putting much more into Nik R&D, except for maybe Snapseed.

[stunsworth]

A recent Photowalk through SF timed at the Google Developers Conference had over 1000 photographers

 

I'm guessing that most of them were taking photographs of photographers taking photographs <grin>.

 

I find I struggle to do anything meaningful where I'm with _anyone_, never mind 1000 other people.

 

Sorry for the OT contribution.

 

Incidently version 5 of the Alien Skin Exposure plugin has just been released, and has 40% off.

[Guest WPalank]

I'm guessing that most of them were taking photographs of photographers taking photographs <grin>.

 

I find I struggle to do anything meaningful where I'm with _anyone_, never mind 1000 other people.

 

Sorry for the OT contribution.

 

Incidently version 5 of the Alien Skin Exposure plugin has just been released, and has 40% off.

 

Actually, the main reason I go is not to take photographs but to meet the high-ups for these different companies. I have cell phone numbers of a lot of these people including on of the two main developers of Lightroom. Not to mention the fact that with two other offers I didn't mention, I got $500 of software for free just for just showing up. Unlike most photographers i meet, I'm fairly social and tend to meet other like-minded photographers as well.

 

On a recent SF Photowalk with Flickr (they are based out of San Francisco), I met the main guy that interacts with Users Internationally. They bought us all, 250, a free drink and we are in talks about having a major Flickr Event in my Photo Studio.

 

I tend to think outside the box as they say. <grin>

[Guest WPalank]

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William, I guess if you did not renew your subscription your licence would expire automatically and you would be left with no Photoshop software to use on your machine.

 

Thanks Karl. That I understand.

What I misunderstood was what stunts considered to be a contract. He said he would buy a contract if he was left with the PS Software at the end which would then mean no further updates unless paid for. But still a freestanding Application, up to that point, in his computer.

 

I assumed he meant a one year contract (the standard here in the US), he later clarified he meant a 3 year contract. My math was base upon the one year contract.

[DES]

I was looking into upgrading my photoshop CS5 and stumbled across this Photoshop Creative Cloud upgrade. Does anyone have it and use it, is it worth getting?

[stunsworth]

I was looking into upgrading my photoshop CS5 and stumbled across this Photoshop Creative Cloud upgrade. Does anyone have it and use it, is it worth getting?

 

I've been running the trial.

 

It's good - though I've had it crash severall times using the camera RAW filter - though I think it's too expensive at full price for me to consider renting it once the trial expires.

 

There's a first year half price offer for anyone with a qualifying product, but after that it reverts to full price. I might give that a whirl on the assumption that Adobe will have to modift their pricing structure at some point.

[dave_d]

If you want to use Photoshop you won't have a choice but to go to the cloud. Is it worth it? That depends on what you need. Adobe Lightroom and GIMP - The GNU Image Manipulation Program might be a cheaper alternative for you. The bad thing about CS on the cloud is that when you quit paying for it you can't use it anymore. I am curious to see how well this business model works for Adobe.

[Camping]

I think that Adobe realizes that the perpetual updates - with features that you might not need - is gradually reducing sales. So they want to create a cash flow stream by monthly rentals on the cloud.

 

This is the same problem that the iPhone is having as sales are going flat and will decrease. All the new features - even including better cameras - have gradually run their course.

 

As to Adobe it is best to consider looking out of the box or become a rent paying slave. A professional might justify the expense but for a regular photographer the CSS $20 per month ($240 per year) is questionable.

 

Thanks for the link posted above.

 

Paul

[Keith (M)]

If you want to use Photoshop you won't have a choice but to go to the cloud. Is it worth it? That depends on what you need. Adobe Lightroom and GIMP - The GNU Image Manipulation Program might be a cheaper alternative for you. The bad thing about CS on the cloud is that when you quit paying for it you can't use it anymore. I am curious to see how well this business model works for Adobe.

 

Thanks for the GIMP link - stored for future reference. I am a CS4 and LR5 user for whom the Cloud makes no financial sense at all (and sincerely hoping that LightRoom does not also end up on the Cloud).

[tobey bilek]

Adobe sent me a really big post card on cc today. Went straight to the bin without reading.

 

I will find something else when CS6 no longer works. .

[Jan W. Tromp]

The problem with Adobe is that they are used to high prices. When Steve Jobs decided to lower the Apple Pro Software (Logic, Final Cut Pro) dramatically, from thousands to € 200,- till € 300,- Adobe could not match that. We all know that about 90% of the windows users have an illegal copy of Photoshop. (they don't do anything with it)

 

Adobe has come a long way from Photoshop (Knoll version) and bought other companies (Pagemaker etc). As the prices became too high others came with good software (NIK etc).

Lightroom also came (too) late as Capture One was there and there are many others today.

 

To me it seems Adobe is going into financial problems. It also seems that a lot of users (such as me, and I have used Photoshop from the first version) don't want to pay absurd prices. So Adobe now suddenly lowered the monthly rate to € 10,-. I still don't want it.

 

I think the future of Adobe will be similar to NIK. It may be bought by Apple (I would love that) or Google (not my choice). Look what has happened to Microsoft, once saving Apply by buying 100 million of stock and now a lot smaller. The time that sofware produces could force us to do what they want is IMO over and will never return.

[kdriceman]

I woke up to this email this morning - One of the consequences of 'cloud-only' access to software is the complete trust we have to place in the providers:

 

 

 

 

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[Guest WPalank]

Agreed kd.

 

It seems like I am getting something like this every few months.

Started with the PlayStation Network and then....

 

Then FB has the gaul not to pay the gentleman some nominal fee who broke into the system and then immediately told them about the hole in security. After hearing they wouldn't pay him, I think he went as far as to post something on Zuckerberg's personal FB page..