thompsonkirk Posted June 7, 2013 Share #41 Posted June 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) If they'd just told us her name was Paula in the first place, we could have skipped the whole controversy about what was entitled to be called a 'Mini M'! Kirk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Hi thompsonkirk, Take a look here Pictures from Paula (The New Leica Family member). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
douglasf13 Posted June 7, 2013 Share #42 Posted June 7, 2013 So, there are some positive and some negative opinions here.If I have a look at e.g. the pic from the egs, and zoom it on my 27" iMac screen, its looks quite impressive!. I have an Sony RX100 with most likely the mentioned 16MP APS-C sensor but when I zoom my sony pics, I cannot get that Paula quality. Maybe it could still be a FF sensor with 24 MP, and Leica is fooling us around! I would not be surprised next tuesday if it turns out that the specs are different compared to the ones that were mentioned here!:D John The Sony RX100 uses a 20mp, 1" sensor that is still quite a bit smaller than aps-c: http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1259667/sensors.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share #43 Posted June 7, 2013 If they'd just told us her name was Paula in the first place, we could have skipped the whole controversy about what was entitled to be called a 'Mini M'! Kirk HI There Kirk I've been referring to her as Paula since Christmas, and I'm damned if I'm even going to allow the word you use past my lips! Everybody knows exactly what it means . . . to them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share #44 Posted June 7, 2013 my 2 ct: it will be interesting to see how Paula will perform against the Sony RX100 that has probably the same sensor......, but at 1/5th of the price, and really pocket format. The RX100 is my second camera when I need some zoom and video and pocket size, but normally I will be on the road with an M8:D The Sony RX100 uses a 20mp, 1" sensor that is still quite a bit smaller than aps-c: HI John, Douglas Thank you Douglas - I was about to say that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikP Posted June 7, 2013 Share #45 Posted June 7, 2013 The Sony RX100 uses a 20mp' date=' 1" sensor that is still quite a bit smaller than aps-c: http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1259667/sensors.jpg MP is really not the measure of the quality of the picture...so hopfully we will have something interesting to look forward to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglasf13 Posted June 7, 2013 Share #46 Posted June 7, 2013 MP is really not the measure of the quality of the picture...so hopfully we will have something interesting to look forward to? I'm not sure I understand your question. I was simply pointing out to John the specs of his RX100's sensor. Either way, if I were a betting man, I'd bet that this new Leica has a Sony 16mp, aps-c sensor, which is a very good performer, and it is the base silicon for many good cameras on the market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikP Posted June 7, 2013 Share #47 Posted June 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm not sure I understand your question. I was simply pointing out to John the specs of his RX100's sensor. Either way' date=' if I were a betting man, I'd bet that this new Leica has a Sony 16mp, aps-c sensor, which is a very good performer, and it is the base silicon for many good cameras on the market.[/quote'] Also I hope for a well implemented 16mp sensor but it need to take M lenses. I just ment that also a bit lower number of MP can be just right - if the implementation is done well. All the best / Erik Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted June 7, 2013 Share #48 Posted June 7, 2013 If it's 16MP and APS-C my money will be going to an RX1. I like my MM, but it isn't an everyday camera (nor is the M9 unless you're a photojournalist). I want a FF Leica that I can throw in a backpack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share #49 Posted June 7, 2013 If it's 16MP and APS-C my money will be going to an RX1. I like my MM, but it isn't an everyday camera (nor is the M9 unless you're a photojournalist). I want a FF Leica that I can throw in a backpack. . . . erm . . . M(240) - It's only slightly bigger than the RX1 and you can also change lenses . . . I can't imagine a backback it won't fit in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted June 7, 2013 Share #50 Posted June 7, 2013 So, there are some positive and some negative opinions here.If I have a look at e.g. the pic from the egs, and zoom it on my 27" iMac screen, its looks quite impressive!. I have an Sony RX100 with most likely the mentioned 16MP APS-C sensor but when I zoom my sony pics, I cannot get that Paula quality. Maybe it could still be a FF sensor with 24 MP, and Leica is fooling us around! I would not be surprised next tuesday if it turns out that the specs are different compared to the ones that were mentioned here!:D John The RX-100 does not have an APS-C sensor. It is a 1" sensor. It will not match the performance of an APSC sensor. Sorry responded before I saw the other posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 7, 2013 Share #51 Posted June 7, 2013 If this is the Mini M it might have a CMOSIS MINI sensor ...as distinct from the M 240's CMOSIS MAX sensor ... We should be aware of all possibilities ... and also take into account the gestation period for the new MINI M ie consider which sensor might have been available for it X months ago when the camera was proposed. dunk That might be the saving grace of this camera. If Leica has developed a cropped version of the M sensor (with CMOSIS), it might portend better things for the future. The lack of imagination in this X-Vario is numbing, I'd have to say. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted June 7, 2013 Share #52 Posted June 7, 2013 The RX-100 does not have an APS-C sensor. It is a 1" sensor. It will not match the performance of an APSC sensor. Sorry responded before I saw the other posts. The RX100 has a 1/1.7" sensor, which is close to 0.6" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share #53 Posted June 7, 2013 The RX100 has a 1/1.7" sensor, which is close to 0.6" Hi There No - the RX100 has a 1" sensor - 13.2mm x 8.8 mm - area 116 sq mm a 1/1.7 sensor is much much smaller - 7.4mm x 5.58mm 41 sq mm APS-C (fwiw) is 23.7 x 15.7 372 sq mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglasf13 Posted June 7, 2013 Share #54 Posted June 7, 2013 The RX100 has a 1/1.7" sensor, which is close to 0.6" Nope, it is larger than 1/1.7". The 1" size designation is from the TV industry. See here: How come a 1" sensor is 13.2 x 8.8 mm big? - Photography Stack Exchange Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 7, 2013 Share #55 Posted June 7, 2013 We'll see what entitles the new camera to be called an M - unlikely to be a rangefinder, maybe compatibility with M lenses, maybe nothing at all. I certainly hope the new camera is more than a warmed-over X2 and if the CMOSIS relationship is yielding the expected benefits, I would have expected it to have a CMOSIS sensor. It would be surprising to find another sensor in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted June 8, 2013 Share #56 Posted June 8, 2013 Jono, you just give away SO much in your photos... You should be ashamed. I'm sure Leica is going to smite you for violating your NDA. It's obvious from the look that hen is giving you that the new textured body covering is either chicken feathers or chicken feed. Wow. An organic, biodegradable Leica. What will they think of next? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted June 8, 2013 Share #57 Posted June 8, 2013 I have to say, the colours and natural richness of those images is quite lovely. I'm intrigued to see Paula unveiled now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TW528 Posted June 8, 2013 Share #58 Posted June 8, 2013 We'll see what entitles the new camera to be called an M - unlikely to be a rangefinder, maybe compatibility with M lenses, maybe nothing at all. I certainly hope the new camera is more than a warmed-over X2 and if the CMOSIS relationship is yielding the expected benefits, I would have expected it to have a CMOSIS sensor. It would be surprising to find another sensor in there. I'm thinking it's the same sensor used in the X2. M now stands for Marketing. It's obviously an X camera. I'm sure someone in their marketing department thought to call it a mini M because it looks like one, then because the X2 is even smaller, why not call that one a micro M, and so on. If they really think a D-LUX 6 is M quality in your pocket then, well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted June 8, 2013 Share #59 Posted June 8, 2013 . . . erm . . . M(240) - It's only slightly bigger than the RX1 and you can also change lenses . . . I can't imagine a backback it won't fit in! Like it or not, the Leica is heavy. It doesn't work well with my messenger bag. I'd like something smaller and lighter, an interchangeable lens isn't as important to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted June 8, 2013 Share #60 Posted June 8, 2013 I wonder how it stacks up to the X2 in the 35mm equivalent range? One thing is for sure, the specs and sample photos suggest this is a day time only camera...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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