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Bonjour Henri,   I still prefer black and white film (I use almost no colour). The advantages of digital don’t mean much to me. Seeing instant results is not so useful, since what comes out of a cam

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I hear you. I i couldnt use the GG and trippd i would most certainly sell the camera and not think twice.

Fwiw, i found this very neat and compact carbon fiber tripod (Sirui T-025X) and equally neat camera bag to fit it in along with the camera and all the trimmings (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1123603-REG).

 

Not a pure handheld Leica set up but still fairly travel-friendly.

I don't have enough arms for the tripods and monopods I own! It will take a change in mindset to go out with the SWC on a tripod over my shoulder. Not a large change as I take medium and maximum size tripods for the 4x5 and 10x8 cameras, and I always take a monopod for the Pentax 645n and 645nII. I do have a lighter tripod I could use with the SWC, and since (thanks to you) the Bay is now sending me a ground glass back, I shall get to use this tripod again! I have two Hasselblad prisms already, and the unmetered version is clear and will sit fine upon the ground glass back. All the same, if I'm carrying a tripod, and have to set up and frame/focus, then change to a film back before taking the picture, I'm beginning to ask myself why I'm using the SWC instead of the 4x5? That debate centres on the fact that the SWC will give me 12 photos on a film instead of using sheet film holders, but the 4x5 will give far more resolution, yet developing the SWC's 120 film is trivial, while sheet film takes some special effort. Despite all that, I don't have a focal length lens for 4x5 equivalent to the 38mm Biogon on the SWC, so this will be the deciding factor. All the same, if it doesn't click, I shall sell it to some more talented photographer.

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Chris, it's a little problem with MFcameras that give beautiful images
but weighs more especially when we must bring a tripod IMO.
I forgot my aluminium monopod during my mission and I still have a carbon tripod
much lighter than aluminum , but more expensive.

M cameras are really lightweight, compact and discreet :)

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Henry

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Yep, I tend to shoot most of my C41 at 1-2 stops overexposure. Usually 400 films at EI100, 200 films at EI100 or EI50 depending on how much light there is, and all my Fuji 160 PRO at EI 80. I do this to deal with shadow detail and noise in the scans (a bit of a pet hate of mine as some of you know).

 

That photo was shot on the current Agfaphoto Vista 200 (the same one I like to push to EI800) and I don't see increased saturation in the scans. I do run my C41 scans through ColorPerfect and there one can tweak quite a bit, either using the toggle button (Optimized-Basic-Fresh etc), using the film presents or the many sliders, so it is not easy to tell if there is more saturation in a scan because all those options will give different results. And of course with C41 there's no positive image to compare with; only what I remember in my foggy head. So, for me, it often comes down to how I want an image to look. That said, for this roll I used CP's Agfavista 100 preset, which turned out better than expected. Normally I dislike such film presets (including Vuescan's) but sometimes they look ok. Also, since I do almost all editing in Adobe Camera Raw (I only spot images in Photoshop), I normally leave colour tweaking to that step. This means that eliminating colour work at the ColorPerfect step saves me time. In terms of the overexposure, I have found that ACR's highlight slider is very powerful at recovering overexposed areas.

 

Here is another example from the same roll which looks quite natural to my eyes.

 

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Agfa Vista 200 at EI50? I tried using Fuji Superia 400 at 200 as I heard it increased saturation, but eventually found it didn't do much beyond making it harder to scan. Was this old film or is there some special reason? I ask as I've just acquired twenty rolls and haven't used it yet.

 

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I don't have enough arms for the tripods and monopods I own! It will take a change in mindset to go out with the SWC on a tripod over my shoulder. Not a large change as I take medium and maximum size tripods for the 4x5 and 10x8 cameras, and I always take a monopod for the Pentax 645n and 645nII. I do have a lighter tripod I could use with the SWC, and since (thanks to you) the Bay is now sending me a ground glass back, I shall get to use this tripod again! I have two Hasselblad prisms already, and the unmetered version is clear and will sit fine upon the ground glass back. All the same, if I'm carrying a tripod, and have to set up and frame/focus, then change to a film back before taking the picture, I'm beginning to ask myself why I'm using the SWC instead of the 4x5? That debate centres on the fact that the SWC will give me 12 photos on a film instead of using sheet film holders, but the 4x5 will give far more resolution, yet developing the SWC's 120 film is trivial, while sheet film takes some special effort. Despite all that, I don't have a focal length lens for 4x5 equivalent to the 38mm Biogon on the SWC, so this will be the deciding factor. All the same, if it doesn't click, I shall sell it to some more talented photographer.

 

Chris - Great news!  I am very optimistic at how you will get along with it.

Even Ansel Adams used a Hassy SWC along with his many large formats.  He called it the "only true wide angle."  He was the ultimate master at large format and was able to take million dollar photos within just a couple of minutes by pulling off the side of the road and setting up and guess exposure and shooting.  Yet, he still used a SWC (and other Hassys, and even 35mm) from time to time.

 

What does this tell you?  That just b/c you can execute on a LF does't mean that a MF cannot be a better tool in certain situations.

 

Just think...

1.  The biogon is LEGENDARY and an engineering magnum opus.  

2.   Despite the "super wide" angle, you don't need to muck around with center filters and other annoyances of LF wide angles

3.  It truly is a good travel companion.  It sounds like you don't need another tripod but I am guessing that your tripods are overkill for this camera and that you will be schlepping more than you need to.  The one that I have (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AZTCHK2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) is a mere 1.8 lbs and 15" long when folder, yet can hold the SWC steady enough for 3 minute exposures on the Tower Bridge in London.

4.  The 6x6 plenty large enough for many situations.  With the right choice of film and your scanner it will give you plenty of resolution and sharpness.  And the lens will help a lot in this department.

5.  It is much simpler to use, even with the ground glass.  And I don't really agree with you that critical focusing with the camera can be achieved simply through the RF on the lens and the VF.  Try shooting a small flower wide open at f4.8 at close range (within 12-15 inches of the camera).  Every millimeter counts and the ground glass will tell you EXACTLY which millimeter is the right one to focus on!    

6.  As you said, the relative ease of developing and scanning is very material when compared with LF

 

You have already picked up on most these points and are very level-headed in your analysis of these sorts of things.  I am merely trying to get you to budge slightly toward tweaking your SWC workflow in order to unlock the enjoyment potential.   I am happy to be proven wrong!

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Chris, it's a little problem with MFcameras that give beautiful images

but weighs more especially when we must bring a tripod IMO.

I forgot my aluminium monopod during my mission and I still have a carbon tripod

much lighter than aluminum , but more expensive.

M cameras are really lightweight, compact and discreet :)

Best

Henry

No need for a tripod with the Fuji GW690III [emoji3]

 

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Tripod? Whats that?  :ph34r:

 

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Chris - Great news!  I am very optimistic at how you will get along with it.

Even Ansel Adams used a Hassy SWC along with his many large formats.  He called it the "only true wide angle." 

 

Oh, well. No pressure at all, then!

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No need for a tripod with the Fuji GW690III [emoji3]

 

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Agreed. I don't even know if there is a tripod mount on my GW690III, but trust that there is. I don't carry tripods except for LF. I use the monopod with the 645N simply because I like the 120/4  macro lens on it. Now Adam is going to make me carry a tripod or admit that Ansel Adams is god or something....grumble, grumble. :rolleyes:

 

Time to pull out the M2!

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Agreed. I don't even know if there is a tripod mount on my GW690III, but trust that there is. I don't carry tripods except for LF. I use the monopod with the 645N simply because I like the 120/4 macro lens on it. Now Adam is going to make me carry a tripod or admit that Ansel Adams is god or something....grumble, grumble. :rolleyes:

 

Time to pull out the M2!

Tripods get in my way it's one more thing to carry and when you have 2 dogs with you its very awkward

 

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"Tripod or not tripod" , that's a question !   a Shakespeare question
I would like to know how you do , to have a sharp image with a telelens (ex 135mm) without a tripod  :angry:

... and I add especially in poor light condition

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Henry

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"Tripod or not tripod" , that's a question !   a Shakespeare question

I would like to know how you do , to have a sharp image with a telelens (ex 135mm) without a tripod  :angry:

... and I add especially in poor light condition

Best

Henry

 

 

"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept" a statement by that french photographer  :p 

 

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