I like film...(open thread)

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HI Keith...I had shot a roll of Ektar at the same location a few weeks prior and was getting a lot of blue casting in the shadows.  I didn't want to deal with all the post processing this time around and decided to play with some Velvia in the backdrop of the fall colors.  I also had targeted a few sculptures where I wanted to bring out color.  When you throw a lot of light at these two films (Ektar/Velvia), I find the results similar with respect to richness and saturation.  I agree, there's nothing subtle about the colors Velvia produces.    

 

Interesting to see the recent Velvia 50 uploads from Adam and Marc.  The rich, intense colours could not be described as 'subtle', could they?  When I see examples taken with Ektar I think "hmm, time I bought some more of that" - but I do not see Velvia 50 making it on my shopping list...

 

Each to their own, of course.

[MT0227]

Thanks Eoin...I have a few more coming

 

Excellent series, Marc. I love them - The perspectives are spot on!

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"The Awakening" 

by Seward Johnson

  "The Awakening" by Seward Johnson - 2016-11-06-0002 by Marc Tauber, on Flickr

 

 

 

 

"Crossing Paths" 

by Seward Johnson

(my girlfriend Becky is the small one)

 "Crossing Paths" by Seward Johnson - 2016-11-06-0005 by Marc Tauber, on Flickr

 

 

 

 

"Day Dream" 

by Seward Johnson

     "Day Dream" by Seward Johnson - 2016-11-06-0008 by Marc Tauber, on Flickr

 

 

 

 

 

Here are a few from earlier in the day when I had some light...Velvia provides such rich and amazing colors.

 

 

"Monet's Bridge" 

by Seward Johnson

 "Monet Bridge" by Seward Johnson- 2016-11-06-2-0006 by Marc Tauber, on Flickr

 

 

 

"Painting by the Glow of the Green Fairy" 

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"Painting by the Glow of the Green Fairy" by Seward Johnson - 2016-11-06-0009 by Marc Tauber, on Flickr

 

Interesting results, Marc.  I can't help but wonder, though, whether the Velvia 50 was the perfect film choice for these high contrast settings.  The film only has an exposure latitude of 4 stops at the very best, whereas most of the images that you shared have a much wider latitude.  I also notice a magenta cast in some of them.  Were they long exposures, meaning longer than say 1/8?  Velvia 50 has a tendency to produce magenta casts with slower speeds.  Lastly, do you recall how you stored the film and how long you waited to process after exposure.  Velvia 50 is quite sensitive to these factors as well, so I have learned

In any case, as I said, very interesting results and thanks for sharing!

[A miller]

Interesting to see the recent Velvia 50 uploads from Adam and Marc.  The rich, intense colours could not be described as 'subtle', could they?  When I see examples taken with Ektar I think "hmm, time I bought some more of that" - but I do not see Velvia 50 making it on my shopping list...

 

Each to their own, of course.

 

Thanks for your opinion, Keith.  From the colors that you have historically shared, I am not surprised by your view of Velvia 50.

 

Here is another Velvia 50 for everyone except for Keith 

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[MT0227]

Hi Adam....the film was shot 3 days after buying it at B&H and stored in my fridge until I left to shoot it. It was processed the next day. The first 3 shots were taken at the end of the day, I was loosing light...but we're definitely shot faster than 1/8. I knew this was not the best film option for what I had to work with, it was a bit of an experiment. I've learned you really need "a lot" of "even" light to make this film work best. I think the purple could be due to a very small tint adj I applied tothe scenes with less light....without it the sky looks a bit too turquoise.  This is a tricky film to work with, what would you have gone with?  I wasn't too happy with all the blue casting in my Ektar shadows last time. I have shots of other scenes with some Portra coming soon. How do you think Provia would have worked? Thanks!

 

Interesting results, Marc. I can't help but wonder, though, whether the Velvia 50 was the perfect film choice for these high contrast settings. The film only has an exposure latitude of 4 stops at the very best, whereas most of the images that you shared have a much wider latitude. I also notice a magenta cast in some of them. Were they long exposures, meaning longer than say 1/8? Velvia 50 has a tendency to produce magenta casts with slower speeds. Lastly, do you recall how you stored the film and how long you waited to process after exposure. Velvia 50 is quite sensitive to these factors as well, so I have learned
In any case, as I said, very interesting results and thanks for sharing!

Edited November 13, 2016 by MT0227

[sblitz]

Thanks for your opinion, Keith.  From the colors that you have historically shared, I am not surprised by your view of Velvia 50.

 

Here is another Velvia 50 for everyone except for Keith 

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Okay, I have been holding my tongue on these photos of street art by any number of posters in this thread, not just Adam. If the effort here is to show off the colors of a particular brand of film, velveeta being one of Adam's favorites (trying it now in 120 myself for the fall), fine. Or if you want to bring attention to a particular graffiti artist, okay as well. As a photograph in its own right, however, these photos have all the charm, to me at least, of posting a photo of the Mona Lisa or a Manet or whatever. Not to compare one art vs the other, but a good photo should have some tension, interest, other than being a replication of some one else's art. Perhaps a juxtaposition of people passing by vs whats on the wall, or the color in a rather drab place, whatever. Anyway, that's my two cents. It is anyone's right to post whatever pic they want, and Lord knows only very few of mine are truly worthy, many times I post just to get an opinion beyond my own. I would just hope that in the future we can see more of this wall art in some sort of context that makes them more interesting as a photograph. Rant over, post away! This is still the best thread on the forum!

[A miller]

Okay, I have been holding my tongue on these photos of street art by any number of posters in this thread, not just Adam. If the effort here is to show off the colors of a particular brand of film, velveeta being one of Adam's favorites (trying it now in 120 myself for the fall), fine. Or if you want to bring attention to a particular graffiti artist, okay as well. As a photograph in its own right, however, these photos have all the charm, to me at least, of posting a photo of the Mona Lisa or a Manet or whatever. Not to compare one art vs the other, but a good photo should have some tension, interest, other than being a replication of some one else's art. Perhaps a juxtaposition of people passing by vs whats on the wall, or the color in a rather drab place, whatever. Anyway, that's my two cents. It is anyone's right to post whatever pic they want, and Lord knows only very few of mine are truly worthy, many times I post just to get an opinion beyond my own. I would just hope that in the future we can see more of this wall art in some sort of context that makes them more interesting as a photograph. Rant over, post away! This is still the best thread on the forum!

 

Really, Steve?

I happen to have a strong interest in street art for what it is: a temporary one-of-a-kind work of art that encapsulates and helps define the then culture of the location.  This fascinates me and thus I have set off to amass as large of a collection of professionally photographed street art/graffiti as I can.  Unlike the Mona Lisa, one day not far from now these paintings will be out of sight and otherwise long forgotten.

 

I put good effort in leveling and framing so as to have as professional of a result as possible.  And I choose the film that brings out the very most in the incredibly true life color saturation and contrast, according to my own taste.   

 

This is just one of my things.  And I frankly think it is somewhat unique as you don't see medium format Velvia 50 renditions (which can be enlarged 4-6 feet) of these works of art out there.    

 

In any case, free country, right?  I mean, one could say the same for your photos from the recent NYC marathon, the election, or full or partial body shots of jazz musicians.  There are literally millions of these types of photos out there in social media.   Yet you felt the need to capture some of the random scenes as an expression of your artistic side and love for film (and photography in general as let's not forget your black sheep, the Q ).  

 

For me, on this thread I will positively comment on how the film, exposure, possibly composition if it is a positive, etc renders and not so much on whether I think it is an interesting photo worthy of anyone's time taking it or viewing it.   I just don't feel that is my place to do this here.

 

Btw, I loved the rendition of the B&W shots you took of the marathon.  Reminds me of an old style professional B&W newspaper or magazine reportage series.  Don't recall you sharing them here?

[A miller]

Hi Adam....the film was shot 3 days after buying it at B&H and stored in my fridge until I left to shoot it. It was processed the next day. The first 3 shots were taken at the end of the day, I was loosing light...but we're definitely shot faster than 1/8. I knew this was not the best film option for what I had to work with, it was a bit of an experiment. I've learned you really need "a lot" of "even" light to make this film work best. I think the purple could be due to a very small tint adj I applied tothe scenes with less light....without it the sky looks a bit too turquoise.  This is a tricky film to work with, what would you have gone with?  I wasn't too happy with all the blue casting in my Ektar shadows last time. I have shots of other scenes with some Portra coming soon. How do you think Provia would have worked? Thanks!

 

 

Well, sounds like you followed all the right protocol  I want to emphasize that I think they were lovely photos with great colors (though some hidden behind some magenta cast).  You said you had more to share?

[sblitz]

Really, Steve?

I happen to have a strong interest in street art for what it is: a temporary one-of-a-kind work of art that encapsulates and helps define the then culture of the location.  This fascinates me and thus I have set off to amass as large of a collection of professionally photographed street art/graffiti as I can.  Unlike the Mona Lisa, one day not far from now these paintings will be out of sight and otherwise long forgotten.

 

I put good effort in leveling and framing so as to have as professional of a result as possible.  And I choose the film that brings out the very most in the incredibly true life color saturation and contrast, according to my own taste.   

 

This is just one of my things.  And I frankly think it is somewhat unique as you don't see medium format Velvia 50 renditions (which can be enlarged 4-6 feet) of these works of art out there.    

 

In any case, free country, right?  I mean, one could say the same for your photos from the recent NYC marathon, the election, or full or partial body shots of jazz musicians.  There are literally millions of these types of photos out there in social media.   Yet you felt the need to capture some of the random scenes as an expression of your artistic side and love for film (and photography in general as let's not forget your black sheep, the Q ).  

 

For me, on this thread I will positively comment on how the film, exposure, possibly composition if it is a positive, etc renders and not so much on whether I think it is an interesting photo worthy of anyone's time taking it or viewing it.   I just don't feel that is my place to do this here.

 

Btw, I loved the rendition of the B&W shots you took of the marathon.  Reminds me of an old style professional B&W newspaper or magazine reportage series.  Don't recall you sharing them here?

 

 

 

Adam -- I think you miss the point I am making. You want to catalogue graffiti art, fine with me. It is then what it is, a catalogue photo. Is there a value in that to others since these works are eventually going to be painted over, probably -- there are books of 1970s graffiti art that was, at the time, viewed as reflective a city running without authority and with high crime. A time, btw, for which I have no nostalgia.

 

My point is that what a catalogue photo does not do, what makes a photo a better photo is one that captures some emotion, some relationship between what was painted and, for example, why it was painted where it was, what feeling/context the artist is trying to bring out beyond the art itself. Sometimes that can simply come from the comparison of color palette of the art and what surrounds it.

 

As for my photos, whether they are great art or not, most not, the effort on my part is not to report on runners or jazz but to convey what is going to try to deliver a feeling, a mood, a sense of what occurred. Are millions others doing the same? Sure, but so too are millions taking pictures of painted walls. The photos you take are technically more than fine, most often perfect.  A photo that is not simply a catalogue shot but works in some context would elevate them that much further. That's all. Post away, everyone should post away. My comment is not meant to censor, never that, it is meant to convey an opinion of creating a photo that, in turn, would elevate the art you are photographing and your photograph as well -- regardless of the film choice (velveeta is nice, btw).

[A miller]

Adam -- I think you miss the point I am making. You want to catalogue graffiti art, fine with me. It is then what it is, a catalogue photo. Is there a value in that to others since these works are eventually going to be painted over, probably -- there are books of 1970s graffiti art that was, at the time, viewed as reflective a city running without authority and with high crime. A time, btw, for which I have no nostalgia.

 

My point is that what a catalogue photo does not do, what makes a photo a better photo is one that captures some emotion, some relationship between what was painted and, for example, why it was painted where it was, what feeling/context the artist is trying to bring out beyond the art itself. Sometimes that can simply come from the comparison of color palette of the art and what surrounds it.

 

As for my photos, whether they are great art or not, most not, the effort on my part is not to report on runners or jazz but to convey what is going to try to deliver a feeling, a mood, a sense of what occurred. Are millions others doing the same? Sure, but so too are millions taking pictures of painted walls. The photos you take are technically more than fine, most often perfect.  A photo that is not simply a catalogue shot but works in some context would elevate them that much further. That's all. Post away, everyone should post away. My comment is not meant to censor, never that, it is meant to convey an opinion of creating a photo that, in turn, would elevate the art you are photographing and your photograph as well -- regardless of the film choice (velveeta is nice, btw).

 

Steve - I "elevate" enough in other contexts but i don't want to elevate them with this particular street art!!!  It is my wish and desire to shoot a wall for what I think it is worth to me.  It sounds like you are being judgmental based on how you think one should approach to photography of street art.  I think that is not a path you should or want to go down here, my friend....  

Edited November 13, 2016 by A miller

[sblitz]

Shoot away ...... not judgmental, just offering a perspective that I believe would make strong pictures stronger. You disagree, case closed.

[A miller]

Shoot away ...... not judgmental, just offering a perspective that I believe would make strong pictures stronger. You disagree, case closed.

 

I think I see what you are saying but maintain that I want to make a project out of shooting just street art and making it look cool as shit.  I asked my wife and she said it was ok

Are you trying to get back at me for voting for Trump??  

[sblitz]

Well if your wife said its ok, then it is ok. This has nothing to do with politics, it is a view I have been harboring for a long time, and I see a lot of these photos throughout the forum, etc. I have taken some workshops/classes and context/conflict etc is what is drilled in for elevating a picture from something more than a really good snap shot. Thats all, nothing more than that and I would share this with you in person as well.....Now I am heading out to CP to take some foliage .... 

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Well if your wife said its ok, then it is ok. This has nothing to do with politics, it is a view I have been harboring for a long time, and I see a lot of these photos throughout the forum, etc. I have taken some workshops/classes and context/conflict etc is what is drilled in for elevating a picture from something more than a really good snap shot. Thats all, nothing more than that and I would share this with you in person as well.....Now I am heading out to CP to take some foliage ....

 

With all respect, Steve, those classes, if they are worth anything at all, they are valuable in gaining insights for you to reflect on retooling your shooting perspective, not to arm you to pontificate on others styles and perogatives.