erl Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17121 Posted June 16, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Back to NYC for a lovely summer sunset, care of EKTAR :) Yes, I'm rising to the BAIT Adam Your choice of Ektar for this, and the ealier Ferris Wheel pic (and probably the even earlier London Bridge pics?) is good. the ability of Ektar to do what it does does enhance all images of that type. My contention, not in opposition to you, but in addition to, is that for more 'General Photograhy', Ektar can be oversaturated compared to 'normal' films such as Portra. Both have virtues and I suggest that for general use Portra is more suitable in that on a typical roll of 36 there often will be a wide range of subject and contrast ranges shot. Portra, IMO, is better suited for such generalities, Whereas Ektar shines like no other in more specifis motifs, such as those you display so well. I 'fear' we may actually be in fierce agreement soon! P.S. Sleep well! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A miller Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17122 Posted June 16, 2016 Yes, I'm rising to the BAIT Adam Your choice of Ektar for this, and the ealier Ferris Wheel pic (and probably the even earlier London Bridge pics?) is good. the ability of Ektar to do what it does does enhance all images of that type. My contention, not in opposition to you, but in addition to, is that for more 'General Photograhy', Ektar can be oversaturated compared to 'normal' films such as Portra. Both have virtues and I suggest that for general use Portra is more suitable in that on a typical roll of 36 there often will be a wide range of subject and contrast ranges shot. Portra, IMO, is better suited for such generalities, Whereas Ektar shines like no other in more specifis motifs, such as those you display so well. I 'fear' we may actually be in fierce agreement soon! P.S. Sleep well! Thanks, Erl. A true diplomat you are. And good thing we successfully negotiated that b/c I soon will be pivoting to some Velvia 50... Cheers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest )-( Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17123 Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) Treading carefully here! I can see what I describe as an underlying predominance of Red (which is part of what I criticize Ektar for) in this pic. No it is not particularly oversaturated, but I ask the question is that because of 'Post' handling? Oversaturation/undersaturation is so easily manipulated/controlled in post. I will further discuss this scenario in a reply to Adam's recent post. Thanks for treading lightly That shot isn't desaturated in Post. It was scanned setting white balance/levels to the film base colour and then white balance in Lightroom from the grey path. I think the palette of colours in the soft afternoon light maybe suited Ektar a bit more here? But I don't disagree that Ektar can be fussy and hard to correct sometimes. I generally prefer Portra but I am clumsily stumbling into an ongoing discussion there and defer to those with more experience, this is roll #15 or so of Ektar for me. I also just bought a box of Fuji C41 to see if I prefer that. *I can also see comparing the two shots, one has a building with red pillars, the other has given me an orange building! I'd love to see what is actually on my negatives, rather than what the scanner did, I should really get some prints to find out. Another shot from the same roll Edited June 16, 2016 by coogee 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17124 Posted June 16, 2016 Thanks, Erl. A true diplomat you are. And good thing we successfully negotiated that b/c I soon will be pivoting to some Velvia 50... Cheers Wow! You do love your contrast don't you, but very well done mind you. I've just shot some Hasselblad Portra400 in my front garden using very contrasty winter light. You will probably approve, except that you will suggest EKTAR would have been better. LOL 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17125 Posted June 16, 2016 Thanks for treading lightly That shot isn't desaturated in Post. It was scanned setting white balance/levels to the film base colour and then white balance in Lightroom from the grey path. I think the palette of colours in the soft afternoon light maybe suited Ektar a bit more here? But I don't disagree that Ektar can be fussy and hard to correct sometimes. I generally prefer Portra but I am clumsily stumbling into an ongoing discussion there and defer to those with more experience, this is roll #15 or so of Ektar for me. I also just bought a box of Fuji C41 to see if I prefer that. *I can also see comparing the two shots, one has a building with red pillars, the other has given me an orange building! I'd love to see what is actually on my negatives, rather than what the scanner did, I should really get some prints to find out. Another shot from the same roll Coogee that is an interesting pic because of the slightly blurred figures in the middle distance. Mysterious. I view the pic as distinctly warm. I would blame Ektar on that, but you may well correct me by stating that the evening light was just that. I see the concrete pavement in the foreground as definitely warm (lightling?) when I would expect it to be neutral grey. I am going to have to buy myself some rolls of Ektar to again test my views. Ahem. Once more into the fray ..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest )-( Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17126 Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) I think you're right Erl, a little on the warm side. I'm still finding my feet with what to use where and with scanning colour film in general. Looking through my results of a recent phase of late summer dawn/dusk colour sea/landscapes (with Portra/Ektar), I prefer the Ektar shots because there is little red in the frame anyway except the sun casting on the clouds that I want to accentuate. The Portra shots all have much more difficult white balance, with a difficult for me to correct tendency to magenta, especially where there is a lot of green in the frame. This is a classic example with Portra 160, I spend ages fiddling to try and subdue that magenta feel but can't get it quite right. To be honest, I'd expected the opposite outcome (Ektar giving WB problems, Portra all 'creamy and dreamy') I need a lot more time with both (and the Fuji) to figure out what works best for me (and my post-skillset) but there is only so much time and... ! Edited June 16, 2016 by coogee 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17127 Posted June 16, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) coogee, I think that pic is not too far off! The red in the sky I would attribute to air pollution highlighted by the low angle sun. the foreground is quite neutral. All I would do is increase contrast a bit. ie. move the black point and white points closer together. That will produce 'magic'. Of course Adam would say "just use EKTAR'! LOL 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17128 Posted June 16, 2016 M2, Summicron 50, APX 100, Rodinal 1:25 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 10 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3062332'>More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17129 Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) M2, Summicron 50, APX 100, Rodinal 1:25 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 16, 2016 by Fotoklaus 10 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3062333'>More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17130 Posted June 16, 2016 The camellias are still flowering. R8 R28-70 Kodak Old Gold 200 Plustek 8100 Gary Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 9 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3062368'>More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17131 Posted June 16, 2016 6008I2, Planar 80, Tmax 400 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3062372'>More sharing options...
erl Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17132 Posted June 16, 2016 OK, my first real foray into colour neg processing for awhile. Fresh chemistry (Tetenal) with Kodak Portra 400. Hasselblad 203FE with Zeiss 110/2mm Planar lens. Scanner - Nikon 8000 Coolscan. Winter Light Series (4) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3062374'>More sharing options...
erl Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17133 Posted June 16, 2016 Next one Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3062375'>More sharing options...
erl Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17134 Posted June 16, 2016 and the third one Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 10 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3062376'>More sharing options...
erl Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17135 Posted June 16, 2016 and the final one. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3062378'>More sharing options...
janorun974 Posted June 16, 2016 Share #17136 Posted June 16, 2016 M7 summicron 50mm V4(Mandler design) TriX400 pushed@800@24,5°C Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 10 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3062380'>More sharing options...
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Doc Henry Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share #17139 Posted June 16, 2016 Since we are in a film thread talking about film which has enormous potentialin rendering and according to your tastes and options , the choice is widejust see color photos here as Adam and Dirk or another contributors for example show us If we compare Ektar with Portra in example , Ektar has less contrast but fine grain, more saturation, average contrast . I think Adam or Dirk will agree Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Interest to add some contrast to Ektar as for Portra , elsewherewithout changing the color . Do you agree ? ... but even without addition of contrast , a film picture may very well be not need correction. Kodak color has his signature ! Best Henry 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Interest to add some contrast to Ektar as for Portra , elsewhere without changing the color . Do you agree ? ... but even without addition of contrast , a film picture may very well be not need correction. Kodak color has his signature ! Best Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3062391'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share #17140 Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) 2 pictures as example for red color , color tone and general rendering Kodak is Kodak and is one of the best film brand IMO , color as b&w Kodak Portra 400 M7-50 Lux Asph No correction Tiff > Jpeg for post It also depends on the light "luminous" for me that day , at sunset in summer Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Rg Henry Edited June 16, 2016 by Doc Henry 9 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Rg Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3062396'>More sharing options...
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