I like film...(open thread)

[gbealnz]

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And a 35mm slide, something in keeping with the Doc's posts.

 

Antartic support camp, Round Hill, near Lake Tekapo taken early 1990's

 

"Scanned" with the Leica T, and BEOON, plus 50 Summicron collapsible.

 

Fuji RD film.

 

Gary

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[Doc Henry]

Since this thread is all about film, I dug through a swag of trannies, old library slides that had been returned. Quite a moving experience, seeing all those old images.

 

The Minolta scanner is gone, I've passed it on. This is "scanned" with the Leica T, and BEOON, plus 50 Summicron collapsible. (I need to try this old lens against the Apo Rodagon enlarging lens sometime)

 

My brother, does leadlighting as a hobby, taken perhaps 25 years ago.

 

Agfa RS100 Plus film.

 

Gary

Hi Gary,

So you abandon the Minolta scanner

and you turn to the reproductive system with your Leica T.

At first glance, it seems  good , but in the long, I don't know if you do not have a background noise

of multiple interference that this system induces. (external light parasites ...)

 

Nice portrait and color Gary

Best

Henry

[Doc Henry]

Ian , really nice. Lovely picture of your daughter ?

Ilford or Kodak ? I think Ilford

Best

Henry

PS:  I did not understand the previous comment. vignette ?

Thanks Ian for your reply.

I understand now

Best

Henry

[philipus]

Too bad about the scanner, Gary. The results with the T are great though. Love the colour in this one.

 

 

Since this thread is all about film, I dug through a swag of trannies, old library slides that had been returned. Quite a moving experience, seeing all those old images.

 

The Minolta scanner is gone, I've passed it on. This is "scanned" with the Leica T, and BEOON, plus 50 Summicron collapsible. (I need to try this old lens against the Apo Rodagon enlarging lens sometime)

 

My brother, does leadlighting as a hobby, taken perhaps 25 years ago.

 

Agfa RS100 Plus film.

 

Gary

[philipus]

Wonderful tones in these and the second one is hilarious. I had to look twice and then laughed out loud.

 

Fuji GW690III, XP2, HC-110, X1:

Bridge and shadow by chrism229, on Flickr

 

Where did I leave the dog? by chrism229, on Flickr

 

Chris

 

[Doc Henry]

I do not leave the banks of the Seine without showing you the bookstalls (bouquinistes) selling everything
sometimes not found otherwise like old books , paintings !

 

Bouquinistes Paris

January 2016

 

Kodak TX400

Leica MP

28 Summicron Asph

Nikon Scan 5000

 

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Henry

[philipus]

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This is a slight crop due to light damage along one edge. I really like Double-X for its versatility push/pull wise. Plus it dries flat (!).

 

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[Keith (M)]

Architectural mishmash - the glories of downtown Swindon.  From the same roll of XP2/Rodinal as post #9327.

 

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[Doc Henry]

Hi All , about the reproduction of film or slides in b&w or color by a digit cam, and as I said before,
there are risks of interference and a small loss of quality of reproduced images .

See here the example with a Nikon D800 and D800E , compared to a Nikon Coolscan.

the original link in french (sorry Gary) :

http://culturevisuelle.org/desasaauxiso/archives/382

and translate by Google translation :

https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fculturevisuelle.org%2Fdesasaauxiso%2Farchives%2F382&edit-text=

I also noticed and I did not know , that the color "ICE" option significantly alters the sharpness.

(see pictures in the link)
and the rendering of the image. I will now try not to use this option if not necessary.

I read also that UV radiation and Infrared can interfere in the results

Your experiences ?

Best

Henry

[Doc Henry]

Architectural mishmash - the glories of downtown Swindon.  From the same roll of XP2/Rodinal as post #9327.

Hi Philip, I prefer the second picture for the nice contrast and the first picture for the symetrical balance

of the lines (electric tramway line) that form a U.

Thanks for sharing

Best regards

Henry

[lleo]

Hi Doc,

yes the ICE soften the pic. I tend not to use it when scanning a film. Or, if any, I use it at the minimum level. I prefer to repair scratches or dings after. Or. You can use ICE then you can sharp the scan a little in post production, but I try to avoid any post production.

[philipus]

I find ICE to be convenient (esp with 120 film which are a  p a i n  to dust spot) and use it at its lowest setting in Vuescan. To me, the convenience/time-saving is worth any reduction in original sharpness.

 

There is a good scanner/digitizing comparison here. One has to be careful in interpreting the results, though, because unsharp mask and ICE have been used on some scans but not on others. For instance, the 9000 scan has USM applied but no ICE, so the comparison with the 5D and 5D2 (most relevant being fullframe) is less than ideal. The V ED scan (definitely) and the 8000 (most likely) are unsharpened. That said, I think a better scanner operator could have obtained better results with these scanners.

 

Also, I think they focused poorly when using the 5D2 - that frame is not at all similar to what I managed to get when digitizing with my 5D2 and the 100L. The 5D is more representative of what an unsharpened fullframe digitized frame would look like. I expect that it would be possible in post to make that scan look quite similar to the sharpened 9000 scan.

 

Fwiw, here are images from my own (quick) comparison between my V ED and the 5D2 (which I have since sold). This is from a roll of HP5+ developed by a lab here in town.

 

The EOS file was shot as RAW and converted to DNG during import into Bridge. Beyond inverting the EOS file neither image was post-processed. The scanner image looks more contrasty at first. But looking at the 100% crops it's quite clear that the camera managed to pull more from the neg than the scanner and that the camera file is sharper.

 

V ED

 

5D2

 

100% crop from V ED

 

and from the camera

 

 

Hi All , about the reproduction of film or slides in b&w or color by a digit cam, and as I said before,
there are risks of interference and a small loss of quality of reproduced images .

See here the example with a Nikon D800 and D800E , compared to a Nikon Coolscan.

the original link in french (sorry Gary) :

http://culturevisuelle.org/desasaauxiso/archives/382

and translate by Google translation :

https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fculturevisuelle.org%2Fdesasaauxiso%2Farchives%2F382&edit-text=

I also noticed and I did not know , that the color "ICE" option significantly alters the sharpness.

(see pictures in the link)
and the rendering of the image. I will now try not to use this option if not necessary.

I read also that UV radiation and Infrared can interfere in the results

Your experiences ?

Best

Henry

 

[Doc Henry]

Philip thanks I'll answer you later 

 

Here my proof for color who needs the ICE feature to remove dust (I think Ice is infrared, which is applied)
 

My photos are with and without Ice
The negative is dusted by my professional compressor
so in principle, no dust !

 

 

Here the original picture with NO ICE

 

 

Kodak Portra 160

Leica M7

Summilux 35 Asph

Nikon Coolscan 5000 Tiff >Jpeg and ANY correction

 

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I must continue in next post because I cannot upload the another 2 pictures .....

 

[Doc Henry]

now the crop 200%  and also any correction

 

...  although it's Jpeg and reduced to post the photo
 

The conclusion is clear to me :  sharper and more definition without ICE

on my screen Eizo calibrated

 

With ICE

 

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No ICE

 

 

Best

Henry

Edited January 8, 2016 by Doc Henry

[Doc Henry]

better if same size , sorry

 

+ ICE

 

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- ICE

 

 

The grain color of the saddle of the horse appear more defined without ICE

 

Best

Henry

 

[rpavich]

now the crop 200%  and also any correction

 

...  although it's Jpeg and reduced to post the photo

 

The conclusion is clear to me :  sharper and more definition without ICE

on my screen Eizo calibrated

 

With ICE

 

 

No ICE

 

 

 

Best

Henry

 

I can see it at 200% but in the real world...it didn't seem to make a substantial difference to me when I tried scanning with ICE off. For pixel peeping...yes...for normal viewing of images...no.

[Doc Henry]

I find ICE to be convenient (esp with 120 film which are a  p a i n  to dust spot) and use it at its lowest setting in Vuescan. To me, the convenience/time-saving is worth any reduction in original sharpness.

 

There is a good scanner/digitizing comparison here. One has to be careful in interpreting the results, though, because unsharp mask and ICE have been used on some scans but not on others. For instance, the 9000 scan has USM applied but no ICE, so the comparison with the 5D and 5D2 (most relevant being fullframe) is less than ideal. The V ED scan (definitely) and the 8000 (most likely) are unsharpened. That said, I think a better scanner operator could have obtained better results with these scanners.

 

Also, I think they focused poorly when using the 5D2 - that frame is not at all similar to what I managed to get when digitizing with my 5D2 and the 100L. The 5D is more representative of what an unsharpened fullframe digitized frame would look like. I expect that it would be possible in post to make that scan look quite similar to the sharpened 9000 scan.

 

Fwiw, here are images from my own (quick) comparison between my V ED and the 5D2 (which I have since sold). This is from a roll of HP5+ developed by a lab here in town.

 

The EOS file was shot as RAW and converted to DNG during import into Bridge. Beyond inverting the EOS file neither image was post-processed. The scanner image looks more contrasty at first. But looking at the 100% crops it's quite clear that the camera managed to pull more from the neg than the scanner and that the camera file is sharper.

 

V ED

 

5D2

 

100% crop from V ED

 

and from the camera

I agree Philip in this case and in b&w the cam seems clearer than the scanner, perhaps a bit too digital

 

I admit that the difference is minimal in this case in b&w, but we are looking perfection in this thread, isn't ?

another reason the Coolscan V is 14 bits and the 5000 16 bits !

Another thing to test : enlarge with the enlarger , if it does the same thing and comparing on photo paper

 

Thanks Philip for your demonstration

Best

Henry

Edited January 8, 2016 by Doc Henry

[Doc Henry]

I can see it at 200% but in the real world...it didn't seem to make a substantial difference to me when I tried scanning with ICE off. For pixel peeping...yes...for normal viewing of images...no.

Thanks RP for your useful advice

Best

Henry

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[Doc Henry]

My little story of the day.
I went to my Leica adviser this morning and one customer brought a Lumix digital
who no longer works. He told him he has tried everything but still down
He said it makes 9 years that he has the camera.
The counselor told him that if he sends the cam. for after sales service it will make it expensive

to find the failure ....
and so it's better to buy a new camera at the price it costs for manpower

Best

Henry

 

 

No ICE used

Saint Jacques church

XII cent.

 

Kodak Portra 160

M7- 50 Summilux Asph

 

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[Doc Henry]

Have you enjoyed my little story ?
As Gary , I have a Leicaflex which dates from 1970 and which still works but I rarely use it

now because too heavy .  It's really a very good camera...  solid as a german Panzer

 

 

The steeple of the Saint Jacques church through the branches

 

Kodak Portra 160

M7-50 Summilux Asph

 

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