A miller Posted December 20, 2015 Share #8741 Posted December 20, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dear Adam, thank you very much for your tip with Jan Scholz!!! I am totally mad about his analog photos after looking at his website. I have rarely seen so beautiful, sensitive and natural portraits. After looking at his perfect portraits you really feel very inspired (or depressed and hide your camera in the house or sell it on ebay because you think that you never ever can take photos as he does). I was also thinking to use the portra 800 for some shots because sometimes the 400 is not enough. Last time I pushed the 400 up to 800 but forget to say it to the lab. So they developed it with 400, but the quality was not so bad. best regards Marc Hi Marc - I agree 100% of your assessment and feelings about Jan's work. And it blows my mind that he does it all completely free of charge - and has models lined up waiting to get shot by him... This video introduced me to him... https://framednetwork.com/episodes/film-9/ I have since seen all of the videos from this "Film" series on the Framed Network and I think they are all fabulous and very inspiring. But I disagree with you about your ability to match Jan's quality of output. The great thing about Jan and his work is that he is SUPER SIMPLE in his approach. No fancy lighting equipment or technical gear. Just a simple camera and film. I think that by watching the videos from the link I shared you can really get into his head and thought process. I don't do this type of work (yes, thankfully, I have a day job!), but if I did I would analyze the videos as it is a pretty good instruction manual no how to emulate his style, which is really just a way to unlock more of our own expressive thoughts and ideas (i.e., not copying any particular style of his but rather analyzing what he shares in the videos in order to better connect with our own expressive ideas). Many of the shots that you have shared certainly match Jan's in terms of technical and "level of interest" standards. I think that Jan tends to get quite intimate with his subjects, which obviously has the potential to create more intimate and alluring photos. Whether you are prepared to reach for that same level of intimacy is up to you. But you certainly don't have to... As for the portra 800 vs 400 pushed. I think these are apples and oranges. I push portra 400 all the time but only b/c I want the speed. Portra 800 has a very special rendition, particularly on skin, than portra 400 doesn't have. I am think that it can be used to create some really edgy and gorgeous portraits... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gnuyork Posted December 20, 2015 Share #8742 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) .... and sensation to be in nirvana when listening to a vinyl record, unrelated to the aggressive sound (especially in the treble and upper midrange) of a CD and no relief (of the sound) .... like for digital image ! L1015592thorensM950LA htlufeng+++red900.jpg M9-50LA Richard Strauss Vinyl Deustche Grammophon SME arm with Ortofon moving coil and Thorens turntable Best Henry Henry, I'm newly a fan of vinly myself. I picked up a vintage Dual turntable last spring and I have not played a CD since. However I do not have a Tube amp - all solid state for now, but I'd like to get into tube gear. I do use Tube amps for guitar playing though. Edited December 20, 2015 by gnuyork 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #8743 Posted December 20, 2015 Adam, I read what you wrote about Jan Scholz,extremely interesting.Our Franco-German Arte TV cultural channel 7 has passed a program that I discovered the photographer Julia Margaret Cameron. I find these film portraits impressive of realism.You know that lady ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Margaret_Cameron Best Henry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2015 Share #8744 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Nice one of the trek to that Marriott Why do you use such a slow film???? Why not just use Tri-X and be done with it???? I know your drug store can't develop it but then again nothing comes easy in life! And don't think I'm pushing my American products on you Delta 400 should be just as good (I just mentioned Tri-X b/c I am American ) Easy answer: Delta 100 was what remained in my Contax T2 after we returned home from our holiday in Sardinia. :-) Pushing film in the T2 is tricky because of the DX coding, but what I *do* like is the inky blacks that Delta 100 gives me... which is the weakness of using XP2 at night. Hence my imminent switch to HP5+. I have nothing against American products, mate. It's just easier to buy blocks of Ilford here in Switzerland. It took me a while to find places that could develop stuff. One of the best places for C41 processing is down the road from me, which is a lucky coincidence. True B+W development remains inconvenient, although my local people can get it developed by sending it off somewhere (at 150% of the cost for C41). And I'd rather shoot than spend the time developing or scanning at home. Ric Edited December 20, 2015 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #8745 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Henry, I'm newly a fan of vinly myself. I picked up a vintage Dual turntable last spring and I have not played a CD since. However I do not have a Tube amp - all solid state for now, but I'd like to get into tube gear. I do use Tube amps for guitar playing though. GNU, yes nothing to say about the sound of vinyl versus CD not at all aggressive, but with real fidelity. I listen to the same version of music on CD and on vinyl to compare. I do not understand that people can listen to a so "hard" sound with a CD. For a practical reason and not artistic , a similar case for digital photo, and with color or b&w unrealistic (color fidelity, deep black and gray shaded). There are affordable tube amps but you must make a good choice of tubes brand. As in the film where a famous photographer said: "Each new film is a new sensor", the various brands of tubes give a different sound eg 6550 tubes give a sound with a strong bass and soft treble , versus the KT88 with a more accentuated bass and slight loss of treble. A tube amp is very simple about electronic circuit ,because not need protection resistors because only the tube makes the sound unlike transistors amps where we need a lot of resistances to protect transistors to be "roasted". Circuit is more complex with many electronic components (like in a digital camera with full-board on the camera electronics) therefore more subject to failure. Best Henry Edited December 20, 2015 by Doc Henry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2015 Share #8746 Posted December 20, 2015 London by -Ric Capucho- Here's the same bridge taken on XP2... notice the white grains embedded in the black? Ric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #8747 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Found another fog photograph from last winter. Gallops near Barbury Castle in Wiltshire. 28 Summicron and BW400CN. Very nice Ian, I feel I am in the fog Well seen Best Henry Edited December 20, 2015 by Doc Henry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkassenkunde Posted December 20, 2015 Share #8748 Posted December 20, 2015 very good rendition CInestill 800T, James. At what speed did you expose and then develop the film? This roll was exposed and developed at box speed 800. Following an advice from another photography related forum I now expose @500 and let the development in the lab be done @800. Cinestill is not an all purpose film, but may give very good results and I will give it a try now and then. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #8749 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Hi Guys , keep posting fog.... you inspire me The combo MP with Kodak TX400 is fabulous .... and also Summilux of course Plateau of Courville Nov.2015 MP-50 Summilux Asph TX400 (dev home Ilfotech) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Best Henry Edited December 20, 2015 by Doc Henry 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Best Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=2952379'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #8750 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) This roll was exposed and developed at box speed 800. Following an advice from another photography related forum I now expose @500 and let the development in the lab be done @800. Cinestill is not an all purpose film, but may give very good results and I will give it a try now and then. James, in my experience a film may be pushed to strong Isos with no problem except that we have much grain It depends on what you want to shoot but sometimes the grain is pretty ... For development, more you are in high Isos , more we develop and more you have grain Best Henry Edited December 20, 2015 by Doc Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #8751 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) For Gary some color of Paris bridge ... and also for Philip(us) for jet lines One of the four Fames (Renommées) of the bridge "Pegasus" and fame of war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_Alexandre_III Alexandre III Bridge Paris Sept 2015 Who said that you can not photograph the architecture with M camera ? Kodak Portra 160 (dev home C41 30°C) * Leica M7-35 Summilux Asph Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Best Henry * Dev at 30°C , color is more faithful IMHO Edited December 20, 2015 by Doc Henry 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Best Henry * Dev at 30°C , color is more faithful IMHO ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=2952385'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #8752 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) London by -Ric Capucho- Here's the same bridge taken on XP2... notice the white grains embedded in the black? Ric A mysterious picture Ric Well done Best Henry Edited December 20, 2015 by Doc Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted December 20, 2015 Share #8753 Posted December 20, 2015 There are affordable tube amps but you must make a good choice of tubes brand. As in the film where a famous photographer said: "Each new film is a new sensor", the various brands of tubes give a different sound eg 6550 tubes give a sound with a strong bass and soft treble , versus the KT88 with a more accentuated bass and slight loss of treble. A tube amp is very simple about electronic circuit ,because not need protection resistors because only the tube makes the sound unlike transistors amps where we need a lot of resistances to protect transistors to be "roasted". Circuit is more complex with many electronic components (like in a digital camera with full-board on the camera electronics) therefore more subject to failure. Best Henry Sorry Henry, but having spent over thirty years in the recording and audio industry, working in studios and then at LINN for twenty odd years involved in product development and design and I have never read anything before that was such complete nonsense! What you have written is, technically, completely inaccurate. i have no problem with people expressing their opinion on what, for them, sounds good... but there is no need to justify that opinion by making up an entirely inaccurate pseudo technical reason to justify that opinion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #8754 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Bill , thanks for your comment. It's my experience with tubes since 30 years , before I had only transistor amplifiers (MosFet) and I sold out. Since I currently have 6550 General Electric tubes with my Audio Research amp, sound I hear is "closest" to most of what I hear in concert, I mean getting "closer" , but better go to listen in live. What I said was confirmed in specialized Hi-Fi journals and by the engineer who is in charge of after sales service for Audio Research and McIntosh in France. https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=fr&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.fr&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.cqcounter.com/whois/site/laboratoire-bassi.fr.html&usg=ALkJrhgVbeKyjEfCLcs4JSWsJ-yOcwFaHA Have you looked at the bottom of a tube amplifier compared with the underside of a transistor amplifier ?Have you compared the sound from these 2 types of amplifiers ? About price , an individual amp and preamp are over 15,000 Euros. Best Henry Edited December 20, 2015 by Doc Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suede Posted December 20, 2015 Share #8755 Posted December 20, 2015 Bill , thanks for your comment. In my experience with tubes for 30 years , before I had only transistor amplifiers (MosFet) and I sold out. Since I currently have 6550 General Electric tubes with my Audio Resarch amp, sound I hear is "closest" to most of what I hear in concert, I mean getting "closer" , but better go to listen in live. What I said was confirmed in specialized Hi-Fi journals. Have you looked at the bottom of a tube amplifier compared with the underside of a transistor amplifier ? Have you compared the sound from these 2 types of amplifiers ? About price , an individual amp and a preamp are over 15,000 Euros. Best Henry My personal thought is that the reference to audio equipment technology was only metaphoric in nature; the thread is about the love of film in photography. We like what we like. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpavich Posted December 20, 2015 Share #8756 Posted December 20, 2015 This roll was exposed and developed at box speed 800. Following an advice from another photography related forum I now expose @500 and let the development in the lab be done @800. Cinestill is not an all purpose film, but may give very good results and I will give it a try now and then. I'll have to try that. It certainly works for portra 400. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted December 20, 2015 Share #8757 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Henry, look up LINN on the Internet, then The Townhouse and Air Studios... I think you will find the likelihood is I have seen the inside of both solid state and tube (valve) amplifiers... I have been involved in design of both This isn't an argument that is going to go well for you... I don't know if you have ever heard of Jadis, a French company. http://www.jadis-electronics.com/fr/ I have had many a discussion with Andre regarding the pros and cons of tube amplification over dinner at CES in Vegas or some other event or shows around the world... As far as pricing is concerned, you are right, for example, the Jadis integrated is 15000 Euros.... The price has little to do with it though... The electronics I use at home are all solid state and retail for around £45,000 (that's over 60,000 Euros), so you can spend any amount on amplification and you still come up against technical pro's and cons of any electronic system. People always seem to fall back on how much something costs, suggesting the more it costs, the better it must be... or to intimidate the opposition into silence. But even that isn't very smart of you to take that tack in this discussion... the very best solid state amplification is far higher in cost than any remaining valve amplification manufacturers... but, as I said, price isn't actually the discussion... (The loudspeakers I use are Dynaudio... as the company I own and run is the distributor for Dynaudio in the UK and Ireland). Its still nonsense, Henry... Just look at the link to Jadis, a high end French manufacturer of valve amplification, who I happen to know personally... and look up the other references. Absolute Sound reviewers I know very well... These are the people I work with, as I said, this is not a wise subject to patronise me on... Opinions are fine. Justifying those opinions with BS and misleading and inaccurate statements really isn't. This is thread is supposed to be about film and why you like it.... So why resort to sniping at digital at every opportunity or drawing inaccurate and misleading parallels with audio equipment? If you must, why not start a thread in Barnacks Bar..? Surely much more appropriate. Edited December 20, 2015 by Bill Livingston 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #8758 Posted December 20, 2015 I'll have to try that. It certainly works for portra 400. RP, you can (please look at wedding pictures I took posted above) Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #8759 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Bill, I had 2 mono blocks Jadis 100 but I have resold. Delighted that you have worked with Jadis. I do not like the sound , but you are right it is necessary to have quality speakers and good link cables that go with and I agree. The Dynaudio speakers are good. Best Henry Edited December 20, 2015 by Doc Henry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted December 20, 2015 Share #8760 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Re. The Jadis amps... I didn't like the sound of them either... Andre IS a lovely guy though... Edited December 20, 2015 by Bill Livingston 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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