gravastar Posted May 7, 2013 Share #1 Posted May 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've just seen this. It could just mean that Lightroom (and ACR updates) will also be available on the Cloud and continue to be a stand alone application. I've no desire to take up a monthly subscription to be able to continue using Lightroom. Adobe needs to clarify the situation. I guess we'll be able to continue using the installed program, it may be the updates that'll only be available via the Cloud. Adobe Creative Cloud Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jim-St Posted May 7, 2013 Share #2 Posted May 7, 2013 Looks like the answer is yes, and no, According to Adobe : "Lightroom 5 will be delivered to Creative Cloud members at no extra charge when it’s available" but also "Lightroom 5 will continue to be available as a standalone product, available for purchase as an Electronic Software Download(ESD) or as a boxed product with a traditional perpetual license." This is unlike PSCC which will not be available s a boxed product with a traditional perpetual license. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted May 13, 2013 Share #3 Posted May 13, 2013 The information page linked above has questions posted under it that raise the question as to whether LR will have a life outside the cloud after version 5. It rather looks like Adobe are considering a cloud bundle for serious amateurs that will include LR and perhaps PS. And that would be enough to make me try Aperture again! I just hate the thought of having to reprocess all those years of photographs... Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Albertson Posted May 13, 2013 Share #4 Posted May 13, 2013 The information page linked above has questions posted under it that raise the question as to whether LR will have a life outside the cloud after version 5. It rather looks like Adobe are considering a cloud bundle for serious amateurs that will include LR and perhaps PS. And that would be enough to make me try Aperture again! I just hate the thought of having to reprocess all those years of photographs... Chris You're getting ahead of things too much. LR 5 isn't even out yet, so it ought to be a couple of years before you have to worry about the next version being a stand-alone product. Besides, weren't people just recently complaining about Aperture's non-existent or tardy support for Leica digicams? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim-St Posted May 14, 2013 Share #5 Posted May 14, 2013 Anyone who's interested in how this may develop should check out LR (start about 7.45 mins in). I think their might be some use for the ability to make parametric/ metadata edits to (LR5 beta-style) Smart Previews on an iPad, and have these sync via the cloud to the raw files in LR catalog on one's desktop. Depending on the price, I think this could be a significant development. And if Apple were to counter with an Aperture/ iCloud version, then price competition could be effective too! Anyway you look at it, LR does not seem likely to become subscription-only like PSCC anytime soon - though who knows how we'll be working in 10 years ten, if there's anyone left alive Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted May 14, 2013 Share #6 Posted May 14, 2013 The information page linked above has questions posted under it that raise the question as to whether LR will have a life outside the cloud after version 5. It rather looks like Adobe are considering a cloud bundle for serious amateurs that will include LR and perhaps PS. And that would be enough to make me try Aperture again! I just hate the thought of having to reprocess all those years of photographs... Chris Let me see, you are going to "reprocess all those years of photographs", because you do not wish to pay a nominal license fee on the software? How much is your time worth? Also, if one updates their software on a regular basis there is not much difference between a subscription service, and buying the software outright. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted May 14, 2013 Share #7 Posted May 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) So, why the change then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted May 14, 2013 Share #8 Posted May 14, 2013 Let me see, you are going to "reprocess all those years of photographs", because you do not wish to pay a nominal license fee on the software? How much is your time worth? Also, if one updates their software on a regular basis there is not much difference between a subscription service, and buying the software outright. "Nominal"? I am entirely happy to buy each upgrade of LR and PS as they come out, and have done so for years. I'm not willing to subscribe $50/month (initially, after that it's up to Adobe) for renting software, that will automatically upgrade (and thus break plug-ins) with no option to go back to a previous version, and should I ever decide to stop subscribing all the work I have done is no longer accessible. The proposed subscription prices are about double that of buying each upgrade, and we all know that we can buy every other upgrade and manage perfectly well, thus halving the cost of buying licenses outright. My time is also worth a fair bit as all this is just an amateur's hobby. I can earn a good deal of money in an hour at my profession, but every hour I spend on a hobby should be enjoyable and beneficial to my mental health. At the very least, if LR eventually (actually at any future date at all) goes to the subscription model, all the edits I have made on several years' worth of photographs will be lost. The best I can do will be to export the edited DNGs as TIFs and then store them in some other media management application, and that will have to be done before some operating system upgrade breaks my last working version of LR. It's not just the cost, which is far from 'nominal', it's the loss of ownership of all the work I've stored in LR so far. This forum is rather too prone to get angry and abusive, but this issue is important to me, and will be to you too one day. If only Apple would get off their fat backsides and update Aperture to accept Monochrom DNGs (and give me some hint of an inkling that they might just keep it updated rather than let it die once it has served its short-term purpose - think of iDVD, iWeb, ClarisWorks, AppleWorks, Claris EMailer, Claris Homepage, Cyberdog and all those other apps that kept the Mac platform going just long enough for someone else to fill the application void and were then dropped, often leaving orphaned file types that are no longer accessible), I would consider swapping. Jono, do you want to write up a beginner's guide to making Aperture work as well or better than Lightroom? Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted May 15, 2013 Share #9 Posted May 15, 2013 ...This forum is rather too prone to get angry and abusive, but this issue is important to me, and will be to you too one day.... Chris The issue is important to me as well. I decided to subscribe to Adobe CC some months ago. For me, it relieves me of the burden of upgrading all the Adobe products I use. At $600/year it is also a bargain compared to buying, and upgrading all the products a la carte. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted May 16, 2013 Share #10 Posted May 16, 2013 Adobe has apparently reiterated that they have no current plans to make Lightroom Cloud-only. See Adobe publicly confirms stand-alone future for Lightroom: Digital Photography Review. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 17, 2013 Share #11 Posted May 17, 2013 Let me see, you are going to "reprocess all those years of photographs", because you do not wish to pay a nominal license fee on the software? How much is your time worth? Also, if one updates their software on a regular basis there is not much difference between a subscription service, and buying the software outright. Since I have been working in IT for quite some time, I positively refuse to install every update just because it becomes available. The new licensing model will not allow using older versions as long as I want, I think. Also, for continued use of the software you depend on the continued existence of Adobe and on their skills at operating licensing servers for the foreseeable future. I won't go into the number of products which became inoperable because the vendor failed to properly run their servers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted May 17, 2013 Share #12 Posted May 17, 2013 I have a CC subscription. I don't have to install an update if I don't want to and the software keeps running. Also, the software installs on your computer. The only difference is that it checks the license server once a month to refresh the license. And just in case one is in Timbuktu on an extended period, the license period without checking with the server is 90 days. So, I don't think server inaccessibility due to failure or maintenance periods is an issue. Now, will Adobe still be in business in the future, who knows? Businesses evolve or die (e.g. Kodak). Of course, that is irrelevant whether their software is installed from a cloud, or a box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted May 19, 2013 Share #13 Posted May 19, 2013 The Terms and Conditions state: "11.4 The Software may automatically download and install updates from Adobe. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the Services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new Software modules, and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Adobe to deliver these to you with or without your knowledge) as part of your use of the Services." C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted May 20, 2013 Share #14 Posted May 20, 2013 And, from Adobe Creative Cloud – FAQ As a Creative Cloud member, am I required to install an upgrade to a desktop application when it becomes available? No. You are not required to install any new version of the desktop applications available in Creative Cloud. You can continue using your current version of the product as long as you have an active membership. You have flexibility on when you install a new release to take advantage of new product features, if you choose to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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