Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #1 Posted March 31, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) A lens from my R system is my Olympus 24mm shift lens. With a R to M adapter I can use it on my M8. So without a tripod here and it is hard to do becuase the lens is a push shift and notthe knob type which means you really should be on a tripod and do this . But this is a vertical stitch of 3 images than merged in CS3 beta. I do have one line that did not come up right but that is not the camera . But i thought i would show folks that this can be done somewhat working blindly with good results. This turned out to be a 214 meg 16 bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 31, 2007 Posted March 31, 2007 Hi Guest guy_mancuso, Take a look here M8 with a shift lens. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ChrisC Posted March 31, 2007 Share #2 Posted March 31, 2007 Guy - OK, the OM is an SLR shift, and a.few years old no doubt. Given your experience of roaming M files, I was wandering how you felt the OM stacked up? It's a curios combination. ........................Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #3 Posted March 31, 2007 The Olympus 24mm shift lens is a pretty old lens and it really does perform extremely well. The only area i have run across with it is a little CA sometimes but some friends have tested it against the Leica 28 shift , Nikon 28 mm shift and found this to be better. The issue is it is expensive around 2200 and it is also rare. I am going to hold onto it because it does have a lot of uses . Sometimes with a big group and your on a ladder if you point down than a normal lenses will converge but a shift you hold straight and just lower the lens and it is very handy. Shots like this one is really a huge plus to just shift down instead of pointing down. Everthing holds pretty straight. This is a DMR shot but same effect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted March 31, 2007 Share #4 Posted March 31, 2007 Guy, amazing pictures! What do you think about Photoshop comand "Transform"? Is it a system to destroy pixels or can replace a shift lens? Bye, Francisco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #5 Posted March 31, 2007 It does do a nice job no question and i do use it too but it does hurt the quality a little. But PS can be a life saver too. Stitching is a different story and using just a normal lens throws off the Nodal point so for stitching a shift lens really is the best answer without getting into special tripod heads and such. I still fall in the cloth of trying to do everything in camera and maybe that is old fart thinking but I would rather people learn that way of doing things in camera as much as you can because it actually helps you understand more doing it in PS too. I think for the older generation that started in the darkroom learn more overall when it comes to this new process because you learned many lessons before that apply now. Not saying the new generation can't learn the old ways but that foundation to me is important and i feel lucky i grew up in those times but crossing over is a new learning curve and it does take the older guys some time with the new processes. Hope that made sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted March 31, 2007 Share #6 Posted March 31, 2007 I agree. I think your rule is similar to one I belive we never must forget: Fill the negative. Thank you. Francisco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted March 31, 2007 Share #7 Posted March 31, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Guy no need to settle for working blind. A Horseman View Camera Converter bellows on a Viso will give you front tilt, shift and swing. Horseman sells several focal length Rodagons for the VCC and for Macro you can mount a Rodagon D on a 80x80 lens board. They have a model for Leica R and with a R to M adapter from Cameraquest your in business ( for the price of a 5D ). Here is a quick shot with the 1x Rodagon D which covers 6x6 so room for movements. http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/17974-visoflex-65mm-m8-8.html#post216732 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #8 Posted March 31, 2007 Hank that Rodnstock can resolve some detail. Whew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjago Posted March 31, 2007 Share #9 Posted March 31, 2007 The Olympus 24mm shift lens is a pretty old lens and it really does perform extremely well. The only area i have run across with it is a little CA sometimes but some friends have tested it against the Leica 28 shift , Nikon 28 mm shift and found this to be better. The issue is it is expensive around 2200 and it is also rare. I've been experimenting with a Nikon 28mm f4 shift on the M8. The good news is that it works, is simple to do and produces an interesting point of view (with a left/right stitch). The bad news is that the resolution (on my particular lens, possibly) just isn't up to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #10 Posted March 31, 2007 I think the good Nikon one is with a black knob on it . The silver one is not so good from what I hear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapp Posted March 31, 2007 Share #11 Posted March 31, 2007 It does do a nice job no question and i do use it too but it does hurt the quality a little. But PS can be a life saver too. Stitching is a different story and using just a normal lens throws off the Nodal point so for stitching a shift lens really is the best answer without getting into special tripod heads and such. I still fall in the cloth of trying to do everything in camera and maybe that is old fart thinking but I would rather people learn that way of doing things in camera as much as you can because it actually helps you understand more doing it in PS too. I think for the older generation that started in the darkroom learn more overall when it comes to this new process because you learned many lessons before that apply now. Not saying the new generation can't learn the old ways but that foundation to me is important and i feel lucky i grew up in those times but crossing over is a new learning curve and it does take the older guys some time with the new processes. Hope that made sense When stitching images from a shifted lens just remember to move the camera and keep the lens in place - in order to keep the nodal point inplace. PS is not able to resemble the results of a shift lens, the transfrom tool may come close, but cannot do a perspective transfromation like your Shift lens does - most people will not know or see the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted March 31, 2007 Share #12 Posted March 31, 2007 When stitching images from a shifted lens just remember to move the camera and keep the lens in place - in order to keep the nodal point inplace. I was just thinking that rather then the $2,000 Horseman VCC bellows for shifts and tilt you could get a very nice 4x5 view camera on eBay for a couple of hundred dollars (not much more thyen the Leica Bellows II used). Send the rear standard to SK Grimes along with an M adapter. Mount a couple of Rodagons in lensboards and with a Viso you have got a full blown Leica M view camera system with through the lens viewing system complete with rear movements. Now that you have about every focal length available for the M just trying to figure out creative new ways for you to spend your money Guy I knew I was going to regret getting the Viso, the M was such a simple system without it. That Viso is like a Pandora's box! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #13 Posted March 31, 2007 Hank you are worse than me and i am really bad. ROTFLMAO . i have not even started to much on the Viso stuff and your right it is a Pandora's box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 31, 2007 Share #14 Posted March 31, 2007 Just to show how nice these are i am on scissor lift here and pretty high up just kept the camera pointing straight ahead and lowered the lens . I'm on DMR here. But with a M8 you have the LCD to check focus and also cropping but you could easily use a external finder of what a 35mm lens even though it is effectively 32mm, still nice for lining things up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker Posted March 31, 2007 Share #15 Posted March 31, 2007 Guy, What if I want to wear a white shirt in that company? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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