ponsoldt Posted March 29, 2007 Share #1 Posted March 29, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the JFI B&W profiles for capture one and have experienced some issues and hope some of you can help. First problem, if I am using them correctly they do not change the color space just the color profile. This means that my photo is still RGB even though it appears, on some screens, as Black and White. This seems to present a problem because aparently windows does not automaticly adjust to ICC profiles. When I view the photo with firefox it appears in color. More importantly, when I upload the photo to be printed, it appears like its in color on the website where I upload it. Any ideas? Second problem, perhaps its not really a problem, is that all the profiles seem to look the same. Can anyone tell the difference? Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cmb_ Posted March 29, 2007 Share #2 Posted March 29, 2007 William, I do not have these problems. In the C1 Color Management Settings dialog box: Camera Product: select your camera here (For me it is Leica R9) Camera: Select the desired JFI profile here Output destination (Working Space): Select your working space i.e. Adobe RGB, ProPhoto RGB, etc. When you process the file, in the process tab - Color Management Workflow: select Convert to Destination. I convert all my files to TIFF and have not experienced the problems you describe. I am on Windows. Also, I see a difference in the various profiles, they do not look the same. Hope this helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsoldt Posted March 29, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted March 29, 2007 I am running capture one LE on a mac. I do not appear to have all the settings you have. Are you running pro? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artichoke Posted March 29, 2007 Share #4 Posted March 29, 2007 the differences between the different film emulations can be subtle and vary with subject material ...frankly I think jfi supplied too many of them to see a large difference, compare a portrait using Kodak Tmax 100 & Ilford SFX profiles ...if you are not seeing a huge difference, then something isn't right the color filters IMHO work quite well and have more obvious differences, with nice gradations between the different filter strengths regarding your problem with the icc not showing up in browsers I do not believe these profiles are designed for going directly to a browser as most browsers are not colorspace aware they are designed to work for C1 LE which is a RAW converter ...a second step is needed ...the files should go to Photoshop or some other colorspace aware software for final tweaking, as these profiles are only a beginning after the file has been tweaked, convert to sRGB if posting to the web or aRGB (or another appropriate profile) for printing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmb_ Posted March 29, 2007 Share #5 Posted March 29, 2007 William, I am using C1 Pro on Windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted March 29, 2007 Share #6 Posted March 29, 2007 I am running capture one LE on a mac. I do not appear to have all the settings you have. Are you running pro? I have those same settings using LE with windows and never encountered the problems you describe .... i assume you really proces the files to a new name and destination?. With the JFI profiles a lot of people seem to buy their new "filmsimulations" package and are not satisfied with the results. Keep in mind the FIRST product of JFI that got all the rave reviews was the "toolbox": one film/ 16 different filters/ settings ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted March 29, 2007 Share #7 Posted March 29, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Second problem, perhaps its not really a problem, is that all the profiles seem to look the same. Can anyone tell the difference? Bill yes they all look the same ! The b/w filters work nice, but the profiles are "worthless". I send them a mail, and asked them not to chareg me for these profiles. They havent done it (which was quite nice !) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 29, 2007 Share #8 Posted March 29, 2007 Bill, I did as Charles Brown suggests, as well. The Convert to Destination in on the right when you select the Process tab. I chose a dng to work on -- and choose the profile at the beginning perform wb, check exposure and maybe tweek the curve, focus, and Process. When you process, if you click the first of the two plus-signs to the right of the Process tab itself, you will cause a file to be created. This file will be the b/w one. You original dng will remain a color pix. I am using C1 LE in windoze. You can call .... Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artichoke Posted March 29, 2007 Share #9 Posted March 29, 2007 yes they all look the same ! The b/w filters work nice, but the profiles are "worthless". I send them a mail, and asked them not to chareg me for these profiles. They havent done it (which was quite nice !) but they are subtle & JFI offered too many profiles, IMHO here is a link to a file developed in C1 LE using three different film emulation profiles techniques Photo Gallery by Artichoke Vinagrette at pbase.com flip between these files or open them in PS to view the histogram they are each different note that I did nothing other than resize for the web & sharpen these files, converting then to grayscale the JFI film emulation profiles may be less valuable than the color filter profiles, but both provide an excellent means of developing RAW files to BW, which I prefer to the various channel methods I have tried in PS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem7 Posted March 29, 2007 Share #10 Posted March 29, 2007 I bought those profiles and did not like them at all. I downloaded the alien skin demo and their B&W film stock conversions are amazing. Night and day between these JFI profiles. You should try the demo,. Unlimited use for 30 days. Works great with M8 files. I especially like the Delta 100 and Neopan 100 conversions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsoldt Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share #11 Posted March 30, 2007 but they are subtle & JFI offered too many profiles, IMHOhere is a link to a file developed in C1 LE using three different film emulation profiles techniques Photo Gallery by Artichoke Vinagrette at pbase.com flip between these files or open them in PS to view the histogram they are each different note that I did nothing other than resize for the web & sharpen these files, converting then to grayscale the JFI film emulation profiles may be less valuable than the color filter profiles, but both provide an excellent means of developing RAW files to BW, which I prefer to the various channel methods I have tried in PS You definitely have differences in your photos. I do not. How do you convert to greyscale? At the process tab I have a choice of using the embeded profile, or inserting a profile. By using the embeded profile I get the ICC profile from JFI and a RGB colorspace. My only real option for greyscale is to use hte genric grey which I assume destroys any profile. I do not have the plus and minus sign referenced in another post. I am using a mac. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artichoke Posted March 30, 2007 Share #12 Posted March 30, 2007 You definitely have differences in your photos. I do not. How do you convert to greyscale? At the process tab I have a choice of using the embeded profile, or inserting a profile. By using the embeded profile I get the ICC profile from JFI and a RGB colorspace. My only real option for greyscale is to use hte genric grey which I assume destroys any profile. I do not have the plus and minus sign referenced in another post. I am using a mac. Bill I am using a Windows 'puter, so things may be different but this is how mine works under Color Management workflow I have set Convert to Destination my default PS workspace is aRGB, so the file is converted as a full aRGB file and I tweak them as such in PS the files I posted were not tweaked in anyway, other than to resize after I have contrast, etc tweaked the way I like, I then convert the file to greyscale in PS once I have the file the way I want it ...I believe this allows for finer adjustments as more data is available to PS for processing I think if you were using "Convert to Generic Greyscale" option in C1 LE, you were losing all the value of the profiles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsoldt Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted March 31, 2007 I am using a Windows 'puter, so things may be different but this is how mine worksunder Color Management workflow I have set Convert to Destination my default PS workspace is aRGB, so the file is converted as a full aRGB file and I tweak them as such in PS the files I posted were not tweaked in anyway, other than to resize after I have contrast, etc tweaked the way I like, I then convert the file to greyscale in PS once I have the file the way I want it ...I believe this allows for finer adjustments as more data is available to PS for processing I think if you were using "Convert to Generic Greyscale" option in C1 LE, you were losing all the value of the profiles I was not using generic because I agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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