sepiareverb Posted February 18, 2013 Share #1 Posted February 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Kodak has expressed an interest in factory spooling Eastman Double-X 5222 as 100' rolls instead of the usual 400 or 1000 footers. Minimum total order of 150 rolls is needed. They'll likely cost $100 each (special orders are not cheap). You can contact me at doublex (at) sepiareverb.com if interested. Lots of Double-X examples on Flickr. For those who don;t know this stuff, it has a box speed of ISO200, and has a somewhat older look to it- think Robert Frank The Americans. Responds quite differently with changes to developer too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Hi sepiareverb, Take a look here Double-X 100' Special Order??. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
MPerson Posted February 18, 2013 Share #2 Posted February 18, 2013 They wouldn't entertain it when we asked about 4-5 years ago. Guess times have changed or they see how popular the ORWO MP film is in 100ft cans. I have 24 cans x 400ft in the freezer so I think I'll pass on this. PS: You could try posting it over on RFF as we have a long running - four years - 5222 thread over there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted February 18, 2013 Share #3 Posted February 18, 2013 You used to be able to get short ends from lots of places here (LA/Burbank/Hollywood) but most productions companies rarely use it these days and instead remove color during post for B+W. But why not just get the 400' cans from Kodak? It's a lot cheaper that way ($155.00 and even less if you're a student or educator.) I would think that the inconvenience of having 400' over a shorter 100' would be worth the cost difference. One could just re-spool it off on 2" cores and keep it in 35mm cans. It's available locally in Hollywood on a will call pick up basis. Or am I missing something here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepiareverb Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted February 19, 2013 You used to be able to get short ends from lots of places here (LA/Burbank/Hollywood) but most productions companies rarely use it these days and instead remove color during post for B+W. But why not just get the 400' cans from Kodak? It's a lot cheaper that way ($155.00 and even less if you're a student or educator.) I would think that the inconvenience of having 400' over a shorter 100' would be worth the cost difference. One could just re-spool it off on 2" cores and keep it in 35mm cans. It's available locally in Hollywood on a will call pick up basis. Or am I missing something here? We're not all in Hollywood, and "just re-spooling" it onto cores is not something everyone wants to or can do. A couple of us asked Kodak if they would consider this and were given an answer, just spreading the word to see if it would be of any interest. Seems like cheap is the only reason anyone shoots 35mm anymore... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted February 20, 2013 Share #5 Posted February 20, 2013 We're not all in Hollywood, and "just re-spooling" it onto cores is not something everyone wants to or can do. A couple of us asked Kodak if they would consider this and were given an answer, just spreading the word to see if it would be of any interest. Seems like cheap is the only reason anyone shoots 35mm anymore... I was only curious since the price difference is pretty dramatic between 400' and the special order 100.' I use Kodak films in my 16mm Eclair ACLII (converted to super 16 single perf.) The film community is still relatively large here and it's not at all about being cheap (telecine costs alone are quite high.) Perhaps someone should consider respooling 400' cans onto smaller cores and offer it to the still film community if there is a big demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepiareverb Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted February 20, 2013 Perhaps someone should consider respooling 400' cans onto smaller cores and offer it to the still film community if there is a big demand. That's what this was, a testing of the waters. Seems there is no interest in getting the film, only complaining about it's price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted February 21, 2013 Share #7 Posted February 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I suspect you may have generated more interest if you had a price for 36exp cassettes. Many of those that can handle 100ft can handle 400ft but there must be far more who have no "darkroom" loading facilities at all and would buy the film ready loaded. In addition I wonder if you had approached a movie processing lab they would have quoted much less to spool down? BTW given you quote in dollars I assume this is a USA deal so I am out, but thanks. Not happy to pay shipping to the UK plus customs (very hot here at the moment) plus X-ray risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted February 21, 2013 Share #8 Posted February 21, 2013 In addition I wonder if you had approached a movie processing lab they would have quoted much less to spool down? They are several places (in the US) that would spool down a customer's stock for a small labor fee. ( e.g., Reel Good Film ) Buy a 400' can from them and ask for it in 100' cans. Spooling down is not difficult at all (just time consuming.) It's not being used by production companies that much anymore so it will be harder to find any canned short ends, but look around and be patient. I don't see this about being cheap, but nearly 3x the cost just to spool it down does seem kind of excessive by Kodak (?) I realize there is economy of scale, but I doubt it's that big of an issue for them to spool down some of it along with a regular scheduled commercial production run. Is the 150 orders needed considered a production run for them? That's only 15000' and the $100 per 100' is maybe their cost for an 'unscheduled' run (and I wonder how often they even do a run these days.) Anyway I hope the OP does find enough people to respond. But one can still buy it from Kodak (albeit in 400' and 1000' lengths) so the issue is not that it's impossible to buy and use. And who knows, maybe with more interest Kodak might even lower the price. But they haven't been as supportive like they used to be (esp with film schools.) Things have definitely changed. Anyway, good luck. I hope it works out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPerson Posted February 21, 2013 Share #9 Posted February 21, 2013 I suspect you may have generated more interest if you had a price for 36exp cassettes. Chris are you aware of Lance Rothstein (Photojournalist) based in Belgium? Labeauratoire Not ideal prices but OK for testing interesting films. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted February 21, 2013 Share #10 Posted February 21, 2013 Chris are you aware of Lance Rothstein (Photojournalist) based in Belgium? Labeauratoire Not ideal prices but OK for testing interesting films. No I was not aware of that, and that link is very much appreciated. The price of Double X as $6-33 a roll AND 20 Exposures a roll ! does put the above offer in a better light. But for experiments it is worth a bookmark. Sorry though to see Orwo 74 is O/S that is on my try list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted February 23, 2013 Share #11 Posted February 23, 2013 im interested to get big cans. I have IXMOO cassettes after all I have checked prices of ORWO, they are not much cheaper than standard cans from other brands Anybody knows of good competitive prices in Europe! Im jealous of americans due such lower price like Double X If there are some ways to get those in Europe without troubles with xray, I'd be interested! I saw tht 400ft sold for 150$-200$ each in U.S. Not bad! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted February 23, 2013 Share #12 Posted February 23, 2013 I've emailed That's A Wrap several times without getting any reply. They sell for £144 per 400' can. I have received info from Kodak Europe, too. They charge 183€ for a 400' roll (and 457 for a 1000' roll). I was told that one could expect a 10% discount. Orders are pre-paid by bank transfer to Kodak directly and shipped within Europe. I haven't yet received clarification if this is with or without VAT and if shipping is included in the price. I've put the 2013 price list in my public dropbox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted February 23, 2013 Share #13 Posted February 23, 2013 I've put the 2013 price list in my public dropbox. That link puts up a document with grey bands and a footer KODAK no other text. Also I think you will find That's a wrap are ex VAT at that price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted February 23, 2013 Share #14 Posted February 23, 2013 phillipus, thanks! Let me know when you order it since im interested of your experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted February 23, 2013 Share #15 Posted February 23, 2013 That link puts up a document with grey bands and a footer KODAK no other text.Also I think you will find That's a wrap are ex VAT at that price. Odd, it works on my computer when I log out of DB. Does it work if I upload the file like this? I also thought TAW's price is w/o VAT. Kodak's may be the best then. I'll let you know what they say. Products & Prices EAMER_2013_Euro_V2 (1).pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted February 23, 2013 Share #16 Posted February 23, 2013 No just the same, may be me, Mac Book Pro Safari here. Yes please keep us updated and I slowly obtaining more IXMOOs, up to 20 now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted February 23, 2013 Share #17 Posted February 23, 2013 Now if I highlight the page it finds a formatted outline but no text then copy and paste to word it is there, go figure. Dropbox is the same, as if the text is white on white but a straight paste should not change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted February 23, 2013 Share #18 Posted February 23, 2013 That's very strange. I can email it to you if you like. Just pm your email address and I'll send it straightaway. I only have two IXMOO so far but I also need other cassettes to fit my TTL (I know I can use my M4's baseplate but I wish to have both cameras operational). Any suggestions for good generic (plastic?) cassettes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted February 23, 2013 Share #19 Posted February 23, 2013 Copy and paste has done the trick thanks Firstcall Reloadable Cassettes, Plastic, Pack of 10 Can't vouch for them but nothing lost at that price or metal from Silverprint: Silverprint - Search Results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted February 23, 2013 Share #20 Posted February 23, 2013 plastic cassettes is something than having nothing but I advise to get ixmoo. Nothing replaces that. Very smooth and easy to use. It is light year ahead in comparison to plastic one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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