Thomas Chen Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1 Posted February 15, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thomas, before we continue, three requests 1] please read and answer personal messages on this forum 2] please read the literature on DNG files: the way you pose your question suggests you do not understand the nature of those files: a color space like Adobe RGB (1998) arrives at the scene after conversion and is not a property of a DNG file 3) please do place your postings on postprocessing in the Digital Post Processing Forum Bert, 1] I don't understand what you mean, I'm doing a personal diague with you. 2] Thanks, it really an area that I need your advice. Should I go to the Adobe site to find it? 3] Oh, I didn't notice that. Thank you just the same. How can we continue, here or moving to postprocessing forum? Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lindolfi Posted February 15, 2013 Share #2 Posted February 15, 2013 On the top right hand corner of this page it says "Welcome, Thomas Chen" and under it it says "Private Messages: Unread:...." As I have posted elsewhere: I have sent you a personal (private) message. Please read and respond. A thread can be read by everyone and the subject can become out of subject, making the thread harder to read. So as soon as this issue is clear to you Thomas, this/my message can be removed by an administrator from this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted February 15, 2013 On the top right hand corner of this page it says "Welcome, Thomas Chen" Understand and thaks. However, I cannot find it. Thomas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted February 15, 2013 Bert, I find it and is going.... Thomas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted February 15, 2013 Share #5 Posted February 15, 2013 Bert, 2] Thanks, it really an area that I need your advice. Should I go to the Adobe site to find it? Thomas Chen A good book on RAW and DNG files, conversions, colorspaces, bitdepth etc. is your starting point. Have a look here: Real World Camera Raw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted February 16, 2013 Share #6 Posted February 16, 2013 Bert, In my marriage with M6 (also MP) for more than a dozen of years, the beautiful spirit of image especially in the slide is still lingering in my head, motivating me to seek for whatever by all means possible that can invoke them in the digital era. M240 may be the hope. With the M6-like images they are familiar with, I can coax them into the prospects of M240 and set up a physical domestic M240 forum. Thomas Chen Yes, I understand why you like the slides you got out of the M6 with (most) Leica optics. To me at the time that was a revelation. Still possible to work that way. With some skill you can get similar results with the M 240 plus a list of advantages over working with the M6: quicker knowledge of results, no need to scan a slide if you want a print, higher resolution, wider dynamic range, larger collection of optics usable etc. Good luck with setting up your forum, and let us know when it is running. Perhaps we can join the conversation using computer translation also. We may get a similar set of situations as those occurring in that great movie "Lost in Translation" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted February 16, 2013 Share #7 Posted February 16, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Bert, glad you recognize that LUF might just not really be the "center of the universe", something that a couple of the posters just before you in the other thread didn't seem to realize as evidenced by their heavy handed sarcasm. In fact, Taiwan has some excellent magazines and books on photography: I bought an excellent Taiwanese book on the Ricoh GRD, which has almost 400 pages full of illustrations and is interesting and instructive through its expensive photographic illustration, even for someone who doesn't read Chinese, although my knowledge of a mere 400 characters from Japanese, helps me to navigate through it. This GRD book is probably more extensive than anything available even in Japan. —Mitch/Paris Bangkok Hysteria (download link for book project) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted February 17, 2013 Bert, glad you recognize that LUF might just not really be the "center of the universe", something that a couple of the posters just before you in the other thread didn't seem to realize as evidenced by their heavy handed sarcasm. In fact, Taiwan has some excellent magazines and books on photography: I bought an excellent Taiwanese book on the Ricoh GRD, which has almost 400 pages full of illustrations and is interesting and instructive through its expensive photographic illustration, even for someone who doesn't read Chinese, although my knowledge of a mere 400 characters from Japanese, helps me to navigate through it. This GRD book is probably more extensive than anything available even in Japan. —Mitch/Paris Bangkok Hysteria (download link for book project) Thanks a lot, Mitch. Can you take a picture of cover of this book, so that I may take a glance and buy it if fit me. Regards, Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share #9 Posted February 17, 2013 A good book on RAW and DNG files, conversions, colorspaces, bitdepth etc. is your starting point. Have a look here: Real World Camera Raw Gentlemen, I have some questions about how to get the 10 bit/channel image rendering in my Dell Ultrasharp 2711. Therefore urgently need the help from whomever interested in this area. Sincerely invite anybody no matter with or without hand-on experiences to join the discussion and contribute your talent. The 10 bit/channel or better rendering perhaps one of approaches to reveal the universe what M240 can bring to us, not to mention in the coming epoc of 4K2K monitor. Thank you very much. All the best, Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted February 17, 2013 On the top right hand corner of this page it says "Welcome, Thomas Chen" and under it it says "Private Messages: Unread:...." Hr. Theboch, May I have your e-mail address via the "private message" channel? I have somes metaphors and invite you and Bert to scrutinize whether they are appropriate in the culture of your part of world. Regards, Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted February 17, 2013 Share #11 Posted February 17, 2013 ...Can you take a picture of cover of this book, so that I may take a glance and buy it if fit me...Thomas, unfortunately the book is in Bangkok and I am currently in Paris and probably won't be back in Thailand for as long two months. However, the title of the book should be easy to find on the major Taiwanese Ricoh GRD forum to which there were many references in the book. —Mitch/Bangkok Paris au rythme de Basquiat and Other Poems [download link for book project] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted February 17, 2013 Share #12 Posted February 17, 2013 Gentlemen, I have some questions about how to get the 10 bit/channel image rendering in my Dell Ultrasharp 2711. Therefore urgently need the help from whomever interested in this area. Sincerely invite anybody no matter with or without hand-on experiences to join the discussion and contribute your talent. The 10 bit/channel or better rendering perhaps one of approaches to reveal the universe what M240 can bring to us, not to mention in the coming epoc of 4K2K monitor. Thank you very much. All the best, Thomas Chen The problem is not how to get 10 bit rendering on the Dell (it already does that), the problem is how to get the 14 bit produced by the M 240 (or the M9) visible. And there we encounter both technical and biological limitations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted February 17, 2013 Share #13 Posted February 17, 2013 However, since you are interested in jpeg images straight out of the M 240, there is no problem with the 10 bit screen, since they are 8 bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share #14 Posted February 17, 2013 The problem is not how to get 10 bit rendering on the Dell (it already does that), the problem is how to get the 14 bit produced by the M 240 (or the M9) visible. And there we encounter both technical and biological limitations. Bert, Attached please find a pdf file from Eizo Japn site to describe the settings in hardware: 1. Download the AMD catalyst driver and check a 10bit setting. 2.In the "performance" in Phtoshop CS6, check also a 30bit display setting. 3.In Win 7, "aero" should be eliminated. As for DNG image file, convert it into the TIFF 16-bit format in post-processing tool. This is what I've done this as well as a display port 2.2 cable connecting graphic card and monitor. I'm not sure it's the exact procedure. Thus, need advices from experts in this area. I guess Eizo users know better, as this is the brand who also provides hi-resolution monitor for 360 degree CT scan, preparing an excellent 3D rendering for cardiology surgery operation. If backtrack who are the heavy user of TIFF 16-bit file, no matter printing agent for luxiuos items magazine or aerial surveilance, maybe clues can be found. Whether motif features the sufficient color gradient to be quantatized into not-all-zero value in the two bits also matters. Of course, people's capability to discern the subtleness also play an important role. That's the reason why we need support perhaps not from within regular visiters to LUF. Anyway, this is the quest of M240 DNG file's potential. If being justified, it can reinforce the strength of "Leica Look", a punch-up weapon in the competition. It seems a lot to be discussed in this thread, no more cliche here. By the way, I've order the book you recommend. Maybe the author be a sutiable person to consult with. Best Regards, Thomas Chen 10bit2.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share #15 Posted February 17, 2013 However, since you are interested in jpeg images straight out of the M 240, there is no problem with the 10 bit screen, since they are 8 bit. No, No, don't get me wrong. I'm interested in the TIFF 16 bits aiming for Leica Look. JPEG is for my friends who wish to get JPEG straight by just making some adjustments on the camera. In my last post in the "Jono' s M240 image" thread, I've already made it very clear. All the best, Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted February 17, 2013 However, since you are interested in jpeg images straight out of the M 240, there is no problem with the 10 bit screen, since they are 8 bit. Bert, Eizo FS 2736 featrures an on-machine 16-bit processing operations leading to 12-bit then 10-bit output via display port or Apple thunderbolt terminal, while Dell US 2711 only have 12-bit to 10 bit output capabilty. I don't know whether Eizo's cascading processing is better or not. It is far beyond my scope of knowledge. Best Regards, Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted February 17, 2013 Share #17 Posted February 17, 2013 Bert, It seems a lot to be discussed in this thread, no more cliche here. Thomas Chen My apologies... I was not aware of clichés in this thread. I'll make room for other members to help you with your question on how to connect and apply your monitor. All the best, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share #18 Posted February 17, 2013 My apologies... I was not aware of clichés in this thread. I'll make room for other members to help you with your question on how to connect and apply your monitor. All the best, Bert, You misunderstood me. I'm saying, because of the technological sophistication beyond our current knowledge that we are going to be involved in the discussion, this thread in the near future could be full of new stuffs that many may not find in what have been discussed in the other threads. So called the " no more cliches" in this thread. I apologize for not making it clear enough and thank you for your kind expression. All the best, Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 17, 2013 Share #19 Posted February 17, 2013 I don't see why the files from an M420 should be any different from those from an M9 so fail to see why owners should suddenly find themselves unable to process their images. If they are used to processing an M9 DNG, they will be fine with an M240 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted February 18, 2013 I don't see why the files from an M420 should be any different from those from an M9 so fail to see why owners should suddenly find themselves unable to process their images. If they are used to processing an M9 DNG, they will be fine with an M240 Andy, You are absolutely right ! Thank you for coming. Best Regards, Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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