jonoslack Posted February 9, 2013 Share #81 Posted February 9, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Also, what's the reason for the 30 Hz EVF rate? Thanks. Hi there I understood that it was a processor limitation. It's a pity, but, to be honest, I've not found it a serious issue. Lets face it, a manual focus camera is hardly a competitor in the sports Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 Hi jonoslack, Take a look here M240 image of London by Christopher Tribble. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Scott Root Posted February 10, 2013 Share #82 Posted February 10, 2013 Problem with focus recompose is that it throws off the plane of focus on critical shallow depth of field shots. HI JohnI asked, and I was told that it was simply not possible with the hardware - don't know why (I might ask sometime). Honest though - it's not an issue, it works so nicely. point camera at what you want to focus on - focus on it half press shutter zooms out to show whole frame . . . reframe and shoot. What's even nicer, is that if you keep the shutter half pressed, then it holds the exposure for the zoomed in area rather than the image as a whole. In true Leica fashion it's very simple, without bells and whistles and it simply works. I honestly find it easier than picking an area for focusing - the only time I can see it would be irritating is on a tripod. all the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 10, 2013 Share #83 Posted February 10, 2013 Problem with focus recompose is that it throws off the plane of focus on critical shallow depth of field shots. Hi Scott I think we've agreed that its a shortcoming on a tripod. If you're hand holding then of course you're swaying slightly anyway. Still, it's actually very easy to judge focus on the EVF when zoomed out, especially so with a wide aperture and focus peaking enabled. Of course, you can then judge critical focus over the whole frame, even when the lens has some curvature of field. All the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted February 10, 2013 Author Share #84 Posted February 10, 2013 Hi thereI understood that it was a processor limitation. It's a pity, but, to be honest, I've not found it a serious issue. Lets face it, a manual focus camera is hardly a competitor in the sports Hi Jono, Interesting, processor and not bandwidth limitation? Hmm. Many thanks for being a good sport - although sports wasn't on my mind. I don't think Douglas Herr of wildlightphoto.com will find 30 Hz satisfactorily for BIF. Well, it is what it is. I am sure the M240 has its own particular niche. I'll figure out what to do with mine. One has to accept that and choose other cameras that are more suited to other specific areas. Luckily Leica/Leitz lenses can be used on a larger number of cameras. I just managed to get a Vario-Elmarit-R 1:2.8-4.5/28-90 ASPH at "reasonable" cost yesterday. :) Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 10, 2013 Share #85 Posted February 10, 2013 Thank you Jono, it should be "nuances". I appologize for the misspelling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 10, 2013 Share #86 Posted February 10, 2013 Thank you Jono, it should be "nuances". I appologize for the misspelling. Don't apologise, it was rather good, and I'm sure we've all been there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 10, 2013 Share #87 Posted February 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Jono, Interesting, processor and not bandwidth limitation? Hmm. Many thanks for being a good sport - although sports wasn't on my mind. I don't think Douglas Herr of wildlightphoto.com will find 30 Hz satisfactorily for BIF. I took some nice shots of deer at 200 mm the other day. It's not good for fast movement. But then, nor is manual focus! I would have thought that most of Dpug's lovely shots could easily have been taken with the EVF Well, it is what it is. I am sure the M240 has its own particular niche. I'll figure out what to do with mine. One has to accept that and choose other cameras that are more suited to other specific areas. Principally, I'd say its niche was as a much (very much) improved rangefinder camera. The direct successor to the M9. As far as I'm concerned the rest is just the icing on the cake. Luckily Leica/Leitz lenses can be used on a larger number of cameras. I just managed to get a Vario-Elmarit-R 1:2.8-4.5/28-90 ASPH at "reasonable" cost yesterday. :) Thanks again. Indeed, and congratulations on the lovely lens (I got one early this year). I can tell you, it's great on the M (so think twice before Leitaxing!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 10, 2013 Share #88 Posted February 10, 2013 Ah, well, I think we can already assume the IQ of the M-240 exceeds that of the M8, Thomas. Welcome to the forum... Jeff, Thanks for the comment. I forgot to indicate that the IQ of M-240 to be concerned is its "3D-like" image rendering characteristic. Scanning the negative film taken by M6 to make the digital image, and compare that to a JPEG file created by M8, I found that the "3D-like" look of the scanned image from M6 is better than M8. That's the reason why, after I observed the images shot by Mr. Jean Gaumy respectively with M9 and M-240, I hope that the "3D-like" image property of M-240 will not move backwards from M9 if the updated firmware makes improvement (perhaps it's the center of CCD vs. CMOS issue). Thomas Chen Taoyuan, Taiwan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted February 10, 2013 Share #89 Posted February 10, 2013 I forgot to indicate that the IQ of M-240 to be concerned is its "3D-like" image rendering characteristic. Scanning the negative film taken by M6 to make the digital image, and compare that to a JPEG file created by M8, I found that the "3D-like" look of the scanned image from M6 is better than M8. Thomas - could you maybe post something that demonstrates this contrast as I find it a bit difficult to visualise. Or does it only show up in large prints? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 10, 2013 Share #90 Posted February 10, 2013 It's central point only - but it's really very well implemented. I've never much used magnified view on my µ43 cameras (always irritated me). It just works well with the M. . . . but yes, not scrollable (5x or 10x however - with or without focus peaking). This is a real pity because in real-world photography when I am using live view on my 5D2 I actually find that the scroll and zoom in feature is extremely useful whilst the camera is tripod mounted. It can be used for assessing where exactly focus should be pinpointed with a long lens and I have used it in just this role and found it to be very helpful. I have to admit to being somewhat surprised at this . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 10, 2013 Share #91 Posted February 10, 2013 Thomas - could you maybe post something that demonstrates this contrast as I find it a bit difficult to visualise. Or does it only show up in large prints? Chris, I'm to send you one 4M file and the other 6M. As I'm not a premium member of the L-forum, no way to post such big files. W:)uld you please give me your e-mail address? Best Regards, Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted February 10, 2013 Share #92 Posted February 10, 2013 Chris, I'm to send you one 4M file and the other 6M. As I'm not a premium member of the L-forum, no way to post such big files. W:)uld you please give me your e-mail address? Best Regards, Thomas Chen Thomas - I've pm'd you. Don't forget there's always Dropbox. Free and secure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted February 10, 2013 Share #93 Posted February 10, 2013 Thomas - I've pm'd you. Don't forget there's always Dropbox. Free and secure. Chris, I just created my Flickr URL: Flickr: Thomas Chen 0924's Photostream. Please see the two files over there. Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted February 10, 2013 Share #94 Posted February 10, 2013 Thomas - many thanks. Although I'm still not 100% sure what you mean by "3D", I have the feeling that what you're talking about is the difference between images taken with medium tele-photo lenses (like the 135 Apo-Telyt) and images taken with standard or medium wide lenses. There's no EXIF information on your files regarding lens length, but I'd imagine they were no longer than 50mm. This makes a very big difference to the way in which perspective is drawn. Does this make sense? Best C: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelagia Posted February 10, 2013 Share #95 Posted February 10, 2013 I found that the "3D-like" look of the scanned image from M6 is better than M8. It is also due to the M8 APS sensor size vs "full frame" of M6. And even due to the photographed scene: on M6, you have people at different distances which helps to construct perspective in your brain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 10, 2013 Share #96 Posted February 10, 2013 Thomas, it looks to me as though there are far more factors determining the different look of the two photos than simply something to do with a feature of the sensor. In addition to things like exposure, contrast and composition, the M6 image also has more actual depth, in that the scene contains significant detail that recedes further into the distance, and naturally creates a greater contrast between near and far than the relatively uniform church facade-dominated image of the M8 photo. On top of which, I'm not sure there's much to choose between the two anyway in terms of what I believe is the subjective quality of three-dimensionality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted February 10, 2013 Share #97 Posted February 10, 2013 Seems like your sliding into the film digital debate where this thread is a digital comparison. Is the new M worth stepping up for from M9 or from other cameras. This is not a path worth going down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 10, 2013 Share #98 Posted February 10, 2013 Seems like your sliding into the film digital debate where this thread is a digital comparison. Is the new M worth stepping up for from M9 or from other cameras. This is not a path worth going down. I don't think it was intended that way at all. I think Thomas was just trying to illustrate the way images can differ from each other and used the M6/M8 photos as an example of what he meant. Maybe it wasn't the best example, and whilst I don't share his view, I don't think there's anything wrong in looking at things this way, especially since most of us are still speculating about a camera that we haven't had the opportunity to try out for ourselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted February 10, 2013 Share #99 Posted February 10, 2013 Chris, I just created my Flickr URL: Flickr: Thomas Chen 0924's Photostream. Please see the two files over there. Thomas Chen The example of the M6 has some quite saturated blue and red objects (not present in the M8 example). Due to the chromatic aberration of the human eye, that gives the impression of depth: left and right eye display the red and blue objects at slightly shifted positions in the two eyes and the brain translates that into a 3D effect. (here an extreme example: http://www.3dwonderstuff.com/Images/optical_illusions/stereogram_oi_chromo_l.jpg ). Possibly that is part of the effect Thomas is aware of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted February 10, 2013 Share #100 Posted February 10, 2013 @Jono/Chris Chris mentioned he used the camera 3 weeks prior to posting. Getting used to its new features seemed not to be too difficult. Prior M experience counts. How long did it take you, assuming using the camera 2-3 hours daily, to come to grips with its many new features. You were in Venice at year end, but did you have many months with it prior to then? Did you start by working through the menu prior to shooting or was there some sort of draft manual given to you. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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