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Here's my 203FE with a 50 Distagon C T*.

 

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Very cool shit Brother !

I really love this perfect mechanics of the "C" line.

Starting my profession I asked a old photographer which I met on a fun fair taking pictures

why he still uses the old lenses the "CF" improved were already out and he just pointed at

his old Mercedes car and said "It´s like the car made out of steel and nothing else and till now

both never let me down - so why change it into something made with plastic ?"

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Only M/F I have right now, and a camera I have lusted after since I was old enough to read photo mags.

I've had several of it's relations along the way, but this is the weirdest but coolest 'Blad I have had.

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This manages to fall within the remit of medium format - and it is a rangefinder too!  My GW690II  :)

 

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How would you describe the handling of this "monster" ?  :D

Apart from the sheer weight, it handles very similarly to my M7 & MP, although the split-image 'spot' in the otherwise excellent viewfinder is quite small.  Similar to the Hasselblad, one can simultaneously change speed and aperture to maintain a desired EV.  At eight frames per roll, one needs a good pocket full!

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On the subject of weight, my Rolleicord Vb is at the other end of the scale, so to speak!  Really light but possessing a superb lens.  Not the quickest, in handling terms though.

 

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I'm always surprised how heavy that 50 C is when I pick it up, being used to the tube of air that is the 80 FE. It's one very solid piece of engineering. I'm not thrilled about its handling though. The focus ring is really difficult to use since it is so close to the camera body. And those knurls are unpleasant to grab on to as well, and with a very long focus throw one has to turn the ring seemingly forever sometimes. Plus I'm unthrilled about the shutter speed and aperture interlock.

 

What really quite cool about the Carl Zeiss lenses though is that there hasn't been so many changes to their optical design over the years. So buying C T* lenses in good shape can be a great way to get amazing image quality for comparably little money.

 

On that note, I'm still testing the lens and don't know how accurate its times are. They do sound OK but it's difficult to tell with the shutter and mirror sound from the camera drowning out the shutter sound from the lens. The aperture also does seem to stick a bit when I stop down so I fear the lens is in need of a service but I got it for very little so I figured I'd try it out, esp. with my PC Mutar. But with that, which has a 1.4x extension, a 50mm is almost too long so a 40mm is what I need. Luckily I recently found one and it is slowly making its way to me. Then I'll decide what to do with the 50 C.

 

Very cool shit Brother !

I really love this perfect mechanics of the "C" line.

Starting my profession I asked a old photographer which I met on a fun fair taking pictures

why he still uses the old lenses the "CF" improved were already out and he just pointed at

his old Mercedes car and said "It´s like the car made out of steel and nothing else and till now

both never let me down - so why change it into something made with plastic ?"

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is handling and weight really even relevant?  For me, it is all about the image quality.  Those old Zeiss lenses on the Hassies and Linhofs are simply sublime.  Those Texas Leica (Fujis, Voights and the like) are fool's gold, in my humble opinion.  

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...Uh-oh, did she end up buying an SWC herself after trying yours? I've heard they're rather contagious.

No, Philip - But it was the first time she'd seen such a camera, and was intrigued. They are contagious, so perhaps in the future...

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Just my opinion, of course, but I think there's some merit in saying the CF and later style lenses have rings which are easier to use. Then again, my experience is limited to the lenses I have so it's all fwiw.

 

As for weight, well I accepted long ago that one of my purposes in life is to carry stuff around :) The cool thing about Hasselblad (and other similarly modular camera systems) is that one can achieve the same thing in different ways. For instance, for my upcoming holiday I will bring my 203FE, the 80 Planar and the 2x extender (plus tubes and the 40 if it arrives in time). The extender makes the 80 into a 160 f5.6 with very little image quality degradation. Not that I have a 150mm or similar lens but that extender is very light and easy to bring. Quite a portable kit, actually.

 

I don't have an opinion about the other cameras (yet...). The photos I have seen from them seem to show, though, that they perform very well. I've seen photos of old 120 folders that look very good indeed, and the same thing for the various Fujis, Mamiyas, Rolleis etc. Actually, fools gold could apply to the heaps of old Compur-shuttered C lenses out there because of the increased difficulty in sourcing spare parts. Then again that applies to Barracks as well and virtually all other older cameras. It seems to me that using old equipment one will always pay, one way or another...

 

is handling and weight really even relevant?  For me, it is all about the image quality.  Those old Zeiss lenses on the Hassies and Linhofs are simply sublime.  Those Texas Leica (Fujis, Voights and the like) are fool's gold, in my humble opinion.  

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Just my opinion, of course, but I think there's some merit in saying the CF and later style lenses have rings which are easier to use. Then again, my experience is limited to the lenses I have so it's all fwiw.

 

As for weight, well I accepted long ago that one of my purposes in life is to carry stuff around :) The cool thing about Hasselblad (and other similarly modular camera systems) is that one can achieve the same thing in different ways. For instance, for my upcoming holiday I will bring my 203FE, the 80 Planar and the 2x extender (plus tubes and the 40 if it arrives in time). The extender makes the 80 into a 160 f5.6 with very little image quality degradation. Not that I have a 150mm or similar lens but that extender is very light and easy to bring. Quite a portable kit, actually.

 

I don't have an opinion about the other cameras (yet...). The photos I have seen from them seem to show, though, that they perform very well. I've seen photos of old 120 folders that look very good indeed, and the same thing for the various Fujis, Mamiyas, Rolleis etc. Actually, fools gold could apply to the heaps of old Compur-shuttered C lenses out there because of the increased difficulty in sourcing spare parts. Then again that applies to Barracks as well and virtually all other older cameras. It seems to me that using old equipment one will always pay, one way or another...

 

Well, said, Philip.  I am not saying that the Texas Leicas etc are not good, I am just saying that they don't produce sublime images.  And for me in this film size that's what it all about.

 

Which 2x extender do you have.  Is that the thing that makes the focal length longer (in which they also make one in 1.4x)??

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[...] The focus ring is really difficult to use since it is so close to the camera body. And those knurls are unpleasant to grab on to as well, and with a very long focus throw one has to turn the ring seemingly forever sometimes.

 

Have you had the opportunity to try one of Hasselblad's focusing levers? (photo by Brad Farwell, 9/22/06)

 

I use one on an M9, too.

 

On that note, I'm still testing the lens and don't know how accurate its times are. They do sound OK but it's difficult to tell with the shutter and mirror sound from the camera drowning out the shutter sound from the lens.

 

Yes, it helps to use the mirror pre-release so that all you hear is the shutter.

(The release is at 7 o'clock below the advance knob.)

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Those Texas Leica (Fujis, Voights and the like) are fool's gold, in my humble opinion.  

Well, said, Philip.  I am not saying that the Texas Leicas etc are not good, I am just saying that they don't produce sublime images.  And for me in this film size that's what it all about.

 

 

I'm not a medium format user, so don't have a dog in the fight as such, but I think you are way off here, Adam. Some of the best photographs I've ever seen have been taken with 120 RFs like the Fujis and Plaubel Makina. Sublime imagery comes mostly from what's between a photographer's ears, not from the brand of lens.

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I'm not a medium format user, so don't have a dog in the fight as such, but I think you are way off here, Adam. Some of the best photographs I've ever seen have been taken with 120 RFs like the Fujis and Plaubel Makina. Sublime imagery comes mostly from what's between a photographer's ears, not from the brand of lens.

 

Plaubels are good.  Fujis...eh.  I just haven't been wowed by the lenses on the Fujis and Voights.   And lenses to matter, just as film stocks do.  You'll come around eventually, as history demonstrates :) LOL

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Plaubels are good.  Fujis...eh.  I just haven't been wowed by the lenses on the Fujis and Voights.   And lenses to matter, just as film stocks do.  You'll come around eventually, as history demonstrates :) LOL

 

 

I don't think so.

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