Gilles L. Posted March 23, 2007 Share #1 Posted March 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Having much learn from previous threads and benefited help setting up my own visoflex system, I though I would post images of my new macro set-up and some results. The system consists of a M8 + visoflex III + bellows II + adapter 16558 + an Elmarit 90mm/2.8 of 1960. (The plate 16558 screws on the end of the bellows and can take the glass elements of the 4/90, 2.8/90 and 3.5/65.) Below are two images of the camera system, one in landscape mode and the other in portrait mode. I was very pleasantly surprised to discover that you could swith from one format to the other with the help of a lever, as you would with a medium or large format camera. http://www.leica-camera-user.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30701&stc=1&d=1174616677 I was able to focus the Emarit 90 from 6in. up to infinity. The following two images are of the summicron 50; I thought everyone here would be able to relate to its size. The first image was shot approx. 16in. away and the lens fills most of the frame. In the second shot, I tried to get as close as the lens would let me, which is approx. 6in. While the full shot was slightly cropped on the edges to fill the frame nicely, the detail shot was not cropped. http://www.leica-camera-user.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30702&stc=1&d=1174616677 http://www.leica-camera-user.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30703&stc=1&d=1174616677 The final picture is of a small gilt bronze figure from the Han dynasty, about 2000 years old from China. The piece measures approx. 2 1/2in. tall and the image was not cropped. I was able to print the whole image at 13x19in. and the details were excellent, not that I would want to print such a small item at this size on a regular basis. http://www.leica-camera-user.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30704&stc=1&d=1174616677 This setup works very well for what I am trying to achieve, which is shooting small objects like the gilt bronze. I wish I could compare this with the macro-elmar + macro adapter but unfortunately, I do not have the lens and don't know anyone here who does. My only concern is that I did have a bit of difficulty focusing well through the visoflex. Although I cleaned it as much as I could, I wonder if I should not replace completely the focusing screen. Best, Gilles PS: the M8 does not cease to surprise and I am liking it more every day... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/19549-m8-visoflex-bellows-9028/?do=findComment&comment=209525'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 23, 2007 Posted March 23, 2007 Hi Gilles L., Take a look here M8 + visoflex + bellows + 90/2.8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
nryn Posted March 23, 2007 Share #2 Posted March 23, 2007 Really fantastic stuff, Gilles. I have to say, after seeing these pics it's hard for me to believe that anyone says that macro stuff is not doable with a rangefinder.\ (of course, you have to turn a rangefinder into an SLR, but...) The pics both of the camera and of the objects are really impressive. At what aperture did you shoot the 50 cron? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilles L. Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted March 23, 2007 Thank you very much, I really did not think it was possible either. Actually it is a nice configuration. I also shoot tethered so the image is captured directly from the computer. Indeed you have to turn the rangefinder into a bulky SLR, but in a studio, I really don't care. The 50 cron was shot a f8. I shot the camera with a 5D handheld at f9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogopix Posted March 23, 2007 Share #4 Posted March 23, 2007 i have been looking at the best 90mm to get. I have the bellows II and the adaptrer (16464) and I guess the tele elmarit DOESNT have removable heads (but there was some rumour that the original tele elmarit from GERMANY did have separate head! anyway impressive. Loos like the elmarit is quite good I think one of the summicrons works too but dont know which ones. Anybody? Is the a list somewhere of the lenses with removable heads Regards and thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 23, 2007 Share #5 Posted March 23, 2007 The Bellows II document lists 4 lenses, in addition to the 65/3.5: Elmarit 90mm, Tele-Elmar 135, Summicron 90, Elmarit 135. It doesn't say which versions of these lenses. The other document I have additionally lists an Elmar 90 and a Hektor 135, as well as a plain Elmar 135. There appears to be quite a few possibilities. The 65mm is meant to be the best, as far I can gather, but also the most expensive. Some of the heads can be seen here: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/19549-m8-visoflex-bellows-9028/?do=findComment&comment=209609'>More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted March 23, 2007 Share #6 Posted March 23, 2007 i have been looking at the best 90mm to get. I have the bellows II and the adaptrer (16464) and I guess the tele elmarit DOESNT have removable heads (but there was some rumour that the original tele elmarit from GERMANY did have separate head!--------------------------- Regards and thanks None of the 90 mm Tele-Elmarits could be used that way. This in fact is the reason why the original long Elmarit was kept in production all the time from 1959 to 1974, even though the first, five-element Tele-Elmarit was produced in parallel with it since 1964. This original Elmarit, in fact, is better than either Tele-Elmarit, and as I think I have written elsewhere, a nice working lens in itself for general photography. It's a brilliant lens, though of course as any other 90 later than the f:4 Ur-Elmar, you should stop down to about 5.6 for the very best performance (where they are all much alike, regardless of age or model). The Elmarit focuses down to 0.5 m on the OTZFO/16464, and to 0.39 m if you use the 16471 extension tube. Carsten – the useable 135 is the one in the original mount, without the built-in lens shade. It will focus from infinity to 0.98 m on the Universal Focusing Mount, and it can take 16471 ring too. This too is a fine close-up option, and hand-holdable. The old man from the Age of Extension Rings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscartt8 Posted November 22, 2007 Share #7 Posted November 22, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Gills, i am new to the bellows and i recently just got one. i saw you using 50mm for taking close-up and looks great. what adaptor in end of the bellows i need for 50mm lens? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted November 22, 2007 Share #8 Posted November 22, 2007 Scott, I quote: "The system consists of a M8 + visoflex III + bellows II + adapter 16558 + an Elmarit 90mm/2.8 of 1960." The picture is *of* a 50mm, not *with* one. The adapter you need for the 90 is the 16558. The rest of the adapters can also be seen in the diagram I posted above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilles_lorin Posted November 23, 2007 Share #9 Posted November 23, 2007 Hi Scott, As Carsten wrote, I took the pictures of the 50mm with a 90mm elmarit 1st generation. The front elements of the lens are removable and can screw in the bellows via adapter 16471. If you want to mount a 50mm lens on the bellows, you can use adapter 16596 which is a bayonet mount adapter that screws into the bellows. You will then be able to use any M-mount lenses. However this is sort of useless as most lenses will have a very short focal range and will not focus to infinity. I personally use the 90 elmarit and the Hektor 135mm, which both can be focused from very close to infinity. Like the 90, the front elements of the Hektor are removable and can be fitted via another type of adapter. Carsten's post list all of these. Let us know if you need more help. Gilles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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