dkCambridgeshire Posted March 18, 2007 Share #21 Posted March 18, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Peter, I believe the SL works the same way. But to be honest with half stop clicks on the lenses the most your exposure should ever be out is a quarter of a stop, and will that every be an issue in practise? I'd expect the shutter tolerances to be approaching that. Another 'unofficial' facility on the SL is mirror lock achieved by gently flicking one's fingernail across the top of the shutter release ... works with the SL2 as well ... Dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rob_x2004 Posted March 18, 2007 Share #22 Posted March 18, 2007 Rob- Since the shutter speed is read out, isn't it simple and fast enough to see that it's not what you want and adjust aperture till you get the speed you want? No, that is definitely too slow. If you have a minute or thirty seconds spare then it doesnt matter what you do, you could even refer to the camera instructions. Using manual camera you are probably already set up and can shift hemispheres to the atristic side of the brain and compose, or shoot instinctively. The point I make though is often you want a certain f/stop, and you need a shutter speed, and that will yield a result where correct exposure per se at slow shutter speed will not. Sure I know slide might be less tolerant, but a lot of guys survived fine on M6. I guess this is what I am talking about, R9aperture, and 'perfectly' exposed. Image cant be saved with photoshop; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Compare with this, which, is not a posed shot. It was taken candid or spontaneous in one instant. My metering decision. The camera metered solution would have been god only knows and probaly shanked. http://www.leica-camera-user.com/landscape-travel/19208-blue-red-flip-side-stuart.html I am not saying auto exposure doesnt have its place. Clearly it does. Just that when you have to be quick, better to be set up the way you are already thinking. Or go buy an EOS or something with a separate metering program for every situation you can think of I guess. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Compare with this, which, is not a posed shot. It was taken candid or spontaneous in one instant. My metering decision. The camera metered solution would have been god only knows and probaly shanked. http://www.leica-camera-user.com/landscape-travel/19208-blue-red-flip-side-stuart.html I am not saying auto exposure doesnt have its place. Clearly it does. Just that when you have to be quick, better to be set up the way you are already thinking. Or go buy an EOS or something with a separate metering program for every situation you can think of I guess. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/18775-metering-question/?do=findComment&comment=204601'>More sharing options...
lambroving Posted March 18, 2007 Share #23 Posted March 18, 2007 Rob, Never having used an R9, I can't speak to what it would do, but an M7 would have exposed your example within 1/4 stop. 95+% of the time, it nails the exposure in far more contrasty situations. Believe me, Leica got it right. As mentioned above, when the scene is far more contrasty and you want to expose perfecty for a specific area, it's easy to compensate on "Auto" when you have the time, you can meter that area, lock and reframe. The shutter speed is always visible in the v/f. At least for me, it's quicker than moving my finger to the shutter speed dial on my MP. I get consistently more accurate exposures with my M7 than with my MP..., and they use the same meter. Go figure! Maybe it's the shutter. As for the M5, you need to know what you are doing because it will very accurately meter that 8mm circle in the middle and nothing else. You can't just use it as a P&S. While the shutter speed is visible in the v/f, you would probably hate it because the meter is slower and you can't just frame and shoot unless the light is very even and most of the subject is 18% grey! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share #24 Posted March 18, 2007 Rob- My experience with AE aperture priority shooting in general is like William's. As long as you don't turn your brain off with the manual exposure, one can easily meter as quickly in AE as in manual in my experience. And William, I actually like the spot meter feature of the M5, it removes any doubt that the camera is deciding what to meter from, again, making the M5 the king of total manual control I think. best....Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted March 18, 2007 Share #25 Posted March 18, 2007 Rob- My experience with AE aperture priority shooting in general is like William's. As long as you don't turn your brain off with the manual exposure, one can easily meter as quickly in AE as in manual in my experience. And William, I actually like the spot meter feature of the M5, it removes any doubt that the camera is deciding what to meter from, again, making the M5 the king of total manual control I think. best....Peter Peter, The M5 is/was the most advanced Leica for a "user" until the M7 IMO, which is the reason I never bothered with an M6 of any kind. It is still possibly the best Leica for a 50 or maybe even a 90 if you want absolute control. Rob is probably better off with his MP though because he's fairly rough on his gear. My MP is a .58 and has the best possible viewfinder for a 35, but is relatively "fussy" to shoot compared to either the M5 or M7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share #26 Posted March 18, 2007 William- Interesting to hear your experience. Having just bought an M6 TTL new, I've decided to trade it back for an M7 for just the reasons you are alluding to. I'm going 0.85 however as I "live" in the 50-75 FL range, and will use a 90 as well. I plan to get a 28 external finder for my 28 elmarit, and a 15 for my 15mm CV (I got the 21 for my M8 and this lens). best....Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted March 18, 2007 Share #27 Posted March 18, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) William- Interesting to hear your experience. Having just bought an M6 TTL new, I've decided to trade it back for an M7 for just the reasons you are alluding to. I'm going 0.85 however as I "live" in the 50-75 FL range, and will use a 90 as well. I plan to get a 28 external finder for my 28 elmarit, and a 15 for my 15mm CV (I got the 21 for my M8 and this lens). best....Peter Peter, I "see" wide and 35 is my "normal" on a Leica, but for you a .85 is a good choice if you are sure about this. Just get one after 3885xxx. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share #28 Posted March 18, 2007 William, I'm getting an ala carte. My 50 is my normal, looking forward to enjoying it full frame. Meanwhile the .67 on my M8 covers to 24mm, and I do plan on shooting them together. So what was wrong before 3885xx? Something about the .85 finder in particular? thanks....Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted March 18, 2007 Share #29 Posted March 18, 2007 The MP finder fix is guaranteed after 3885xxx. Earlier one's aren't bad, better than an M6, just not as good. Due to problems a friend had with an a-la-carte M7, you might do better to find a production M7 .85 out there. They exist, NIB. You would also save a bundle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share #30 Posted March 18, 2007 William- I need to hear more please! The store has a 0.85 in black on the shelf. Because they are in the a la carte loop, few are, I can work a simple exchange of my M6 toward either the one they have or an a la carte bought from them. I wanted a chrome, and decided to change the color of the leather and not have writing on the top. The expense difference is very small, $3500 off the shelf, vs $3690 for the way I configured mine. (It can run a lot more with various options I'm not interested in including personal engraving). What kind of problems did your friend have? And what was the finder fix? Many thanks, as I'm deciding which M7 to get in the next day or 2. Of course, without complications I'd have to wait 2 months for the special order, but I'll have my M5 to shoot film with. best...Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted March 18, 2007 Share #31 Posted March 18, 2007 Peter, I thought the last production .85's were shipped when the MAP was still $3,200. Is the one on the shelf a-la-carte? If not, why so much? As for my friend, I'll send you a PM since your e-mail option is turned off. Except for my MP which is chrome because I dislike paint that wears, my M5 and M7 are black chrome for "stealth". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share #32 Posted March 18, 2007 Thanks again William, I contacted him. Leica must have raised their prices, all the stores have the M7 at $3495 as far as I can see. That is also the base price (well $3500) a la carte. I didn't realize my e-mail was turned off, I had checked "no" to being e-mailed by forum administrators, I guess that included everyone. I checked "yes" now. best....Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted March 18, 2007 Share #33 Posted March 18, 2007 Peter, I repeat, the last production .85 M7's were shipped from Leica Camera USA at $3,200 AFAIK. If the example on the shelf isn't a-la-carte, you would be paying too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share #34 Posted March 18, 2007 William- Since we off of technical stuff, I've e-mailed you directly. Thanks....Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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