mat_mcdermott Posted March 13, 2007 Share #1 Posted March 13, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) This post ( http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2560 ) indicates that Aperture will be soon supporting the Digilux 3. (How about a day late and a dollar short...) I assume the Digilux 3 uses .dng for raw. Does this mean that the M8 will be supported as well? Forgive my ignorance if this is basic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sdai Posted March 13, 2007 Share #2 Posted March 13, 2007 Panasonic just call it RAW and the file name extension is exactly .RAW ... so it's not DNG. The issue is not about Leica, DMR or M8, I'm quite sure that Apple will support almost anything out there which is NOT Adobe/DNG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavio Posted March 13, 2007 Share #3 Posted March 13, 2007 Hi Mattew, all you can read about the Internet in these days is coming from this message by Joe Schorr in the Apple Aperture Forum: Apple - Support - Discussions - Why is this so long to recognize a new ... Re: Why is this so long to recognize a new RAW format? Posted: Mar 10, 2007 3:25 PM in response to: jla13 Reply Email Actually, Apple has annouced that Aperturesupport for the Pentax K10D, K100D, and K110D will be available very soon. We will also be adding support for 11 other RAW formats from different cameras, including the Nikon D40, Leica Digilux 3, Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1, Samsung GX-1L, and seven of the Leaf Aptus and Valeo models. Can't publish a release date, but this update will be coming VERY soon. Joe Schorr Sr. Product Manager, Aperture Apple End of quoting. Joe Schorr does not talk about Aperture/M8. In my opinion this happen because Apple and Leica are still working hard to get the best solution for both brands. Is Apple waiting for something from Leica in order to get the wanted result? Or the contrary? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted March 13, 2007 Share #4 Posted March 13, 2007 The issue is clearly all about the relationship between the two companies, Apple and Adobe ... nothing to do with Leica. Since Leica's software engineers have been so creative in adopting a LUT in the M8's DNG file making it the first 8-bit RAW file in a "Pro-class" digital camera ever made, it shouldn't be too hard for them to create a leica proprietary format of themselves. I certainly won't hold my breath on Aperture and I personally found there are several other raw converters which are much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavio Posted March 13, 2007 Share #5 Posted March 13, 2007 As a converter, I would like propose Raw Developer by Iridient Digital - Support .A very good overall product. Anyway, just today at San Franscisco, an Aperture - Lightroom head to head will be held. No less than Joe Schorr for Aperture and Tom Hogarty, Product Manager for Lightroom will show the respective software. ASMP Northern California Chapter to know more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
footnoteblog Posted March 13, 2007 Share #6 Posted March 13, 2007 Yes, there are other converters out there. Some of us want both a good-to-excellent RAW converter (Aperture), and a great workflow (Aperture, for sure). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavio Posted March 13, 2007 Share #7 Posted March 13, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) agree, and that's why I use Aperture since 10/06 after 9 months with other products. Some of Aperture features (smart album, light table, stacks, interface, monochrome) appear to be a great help for my way to act. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted March 13, 2007 Share #8 Posted March 13, 2007 and dont forget... its Apple which earns the money with Aperture, so its ONLY their job to make it working with the M8 .dng files ! If Apple isnt able to fix this, we had to accept that they wont get us as a customer and we have to choose another software. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jquimby Posted March 13, 2007 Share #9 Posted March 13, 2007 For what its worth, the programmers over at Apple put a tremendous amount of time and effort into each camera they support. Support for a given cameras raw format isn't done from just a technical or programming perspective, rather every camera they support they actually shoot. Part of the process is they shoot a wide variety of photos, run them through the conversion, then print them, then examine the results. Depending on the results, make coarse or fine tuning adjustments and repeat the process. Over and over until its right. It takes a serious amount of work. Furthermore, it takes time to get it right. Of these two choices which do you prefer: really bad conversion or no conversion? Apple chose to take the path of no conversion until we get it right. I know that there is at least one M8 in Cupertino right now. Where in the process are they or how long before we see support, no idea. Now that the work for the leaf cameras are coming to a close there should be a lot of resources that will be freed up to work on other things. The other factor is the M8 is a bit of a moving target, new firmware rolling out already, another update due soon. It is much easier and allows for more consistent performance from the converter if the camera isn't changing constantly. Once the firmware issues stabilize Apple will support the M8. Heck it took some 8 months for Apple to support Nikon's d200, which, similarly to the M8, had its share of bumps and quirks when it was introduced... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted March 13, 2007 Share #10 Posted March 13, 2007 For what its worth, the programmers over at Apple put a tremendous amount of time and effort into each camera they support. Support for a given cameras raw format isn't done from just a technical or programming perspective, rather every camera they support they actually shoot. Part of the process is they shoot a wide variety of photos, run them through the conversion, then print them, then examine the results. Depending on the results, make coarse or fine tuning adjustments and repeat the process. Over and over until its right. It takes a serious amount of work. Furthermore, it takes time to get it right. Of these two choices which do you prefer: really bad conversion or no conversion? Apple chose to take the path of no conversion until we get it right. I know that there is at least one M8 in Cupertino right now. Where in the process are they or how long before we see support, no idea. Now that the work for the leaf cameras are coming to a close there should be a lot of resources that will be freed up to work on other things. The other factor is the M8 is a bit of a moving target, new firmware rolling out already, another update due soon. It is much easier and allows for more consistent performance from the converter if the camera isn't changing constantly. Once the firmware issues stabilize Apple will support the M8. Heck it took some 8 months for Apple to support Nikon's d200, which, similarly to the M8, had its share of bumps and quirks when it was introduced... Hard to believe given that Brian Griffeth IS Iridient and his Raw Developer is kept up to date with new cameras on a very regular basis. I don't know the extent of the coding required to put a new camera profile into Aperture but if it is this hard so as consume significant time by the engineers then that to me is a reason to avoid it. Just mho No offense, just wanted to speak to the issue as i see it. Woody Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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