How much alteration is allowed ?

[blakley]

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It always entertains me that we endorse the manipulations performed before the shutter button is pressed (selection of focal length, depth of field, exposure, filtration, location of camera, etc...) but denounce those performed after the shutter button is pressed (dodging, burning, cropping, color manipulation, cloning, etc...)

 

My father did me a big favor when I was very young: he told me that the camera always lies, and then showed me how newspaper photographers told their visual lies.

 

The camera tells a story - not the truth. If you want the colors that were in the scene - BE THERE.

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[carstenw]

Ansel Adams was an incredible photographer, but there is a big difference between dodging and burning and alot of the post work that was described.

 

I can tell by the comments many people disagree, I believe it was cartier bresson who described photography as an instant painting.

 

Do as you wish, but I do not believe the first lieca was invented with the use of photoshop in mind.

 

Have you seen before and after shots from Ansel Adams? Some of his most famous shots looked nothing like the real scene. Dodging, burning, development techniques, paper choice, film choice, there are a lot of choices available.

 

Maybe I missed something, but I thought in this thread we were basically talking about raw converters, not Photoshop with fancy filters. I agree that it is fine for a magazine to restrict those kinds of effects, if they so desire. However, even fancy effects with Photoshop are very much part of the workflow of some pros, and this has nothing to do with being a bad photographer. It all depends on what you want.

[erl]

I think that these discussed techniques are correctly known as 'creativity' as opposed to 'recording', which the camera only does fairly poorly.

 

When ever someone remarks to me"Oh, the camera never lies", I respond with "the camera is the greatest liar on earth, save, perhaps, for me".

 

I am in total agreement with a previous poster's father and his observation.

[stunsworth]

If you're a photo-journalist adding or removing an element to a photograph can be seen as deceitful. For everyone else it's no big deal, even if it's something I tend not to do - oddly I feel less guilty about removing than adding.

 

Have to go, there's a kangaroo I need to add to my snap of the last supper.

[Guest stnami]

.. got one in me backyard, it's free for a couple of weeks anyway the hound is sick of chasing the giant bush rat

[stunsworth]

I always wondered where Noah got his kangaroos from. Did they have Fed-Ex in those days?

 

Not to mention why did he take those two bloody mosquitos???

[Guest stnami]

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