Yet Another Breakdown. Enough.

[Guest magyarman]

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You know what Edmund i told you to call Germany and you did not listen to the advice and now your questioning my memory which i posted 6 times in the last 2 days that i was one of the first to get a failure. I know what happened to mine , no question about it but your bashing everyone and anything in site because you had a failure. i blamed no one for mine. But i can certainly resind my recommendation for a loaner body for you and also my recommendation to C1 to buy your profile. Hope that helps your memory

 

I am happy to see I am not only person for who Guy become to man-wulf with fire come from both his nose. I am always politely person, even mabe I tell what someone does not want hear.

[Dan States]

People are getting really nasty about all this stuff...probably a good sign that it's time to take a breather. It's not worth all the emotional energy to get angry at each other over a camera.

 

"Early adopters will be eaten".

[Guest guy_mancuso]

I am happy to see I am not only person for who Guy become to man-wulf with fire come from both his nose. I am always politely person, even mabe I tell what someone does not want hear.

 

 

I was trying to help him if you can actually read correctly. Take your bait elsewhere no one is interested.

 

I'm also out of this thread , you want help find it elsewhere

[Shootist]

Guy just forget Blasko. Put him in the ignore list.

You are right he has not had anything to add to any thread since I started coming to these forums. I'm not even sure if he owns any Leica gear.

It's time everyone calmed down a notch or 2.

Sorry for everyone that has had problems with the M8. I had to send my Nikon D200 back for service 2 weeks after I got it.

Never had to do that with any film camera. I suspect some time in the future I'll be sending in the M8 and at some point in time both my Nikon D200 and Leica M8 will die and will not be cost effective to fix. That is just the way it is with anything electronic.

Funny how all my M3's a R4s and a old Pentax still take pictures and really good picture with the Leica's.

[woodyspedden]

Unfortunately that was not the cure in my case. My M8 died a similar death after I have run my batteries down and recharged. It is now making its way to Solms for repair and the 'upgrade'. Very disappointing to hear so many similar failures and no word from Leica. I called NJ and they said they have never heard of such failures before. I think this is a problem waiting to happen for a lot of M8s, especially the early ones.

 

Alan

 

Just for data clarity my M8 is from the very first batch, delivered to me on November 8th. I have not had the unit upgraded because I am hoping that when I finally send it to Solms there will be fixes for all issues related to hardware, not just the original banding problem.

 

However, thankfully, my original M8 has shown none of the problems being discussed here. I only bring this up to show that at least one of the "old" batch works well.

 

Woody

[AlanG]

I think I've still got a stash of Valiums if anyone wants some.

[mtomalty]

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Jamie

 

Thanks for referencing one of my websites in your previous post that

links to the former Rob Galbraith thread.

 

Just wanted to clarify a couple of points.

 

Firstly,I want it stated for the record that I am willing to complain,and have been

known to complain, with the best of them :>))

 

Secondly,I scanned briefly the entire 19 page thread to refresh my memory and found

three of my posts.

 

None were to deal with a 1DsMkll of mine that had the issues discussed in the thread.

Fortunately,my 1DsMkll,after over 1000,000 exposures ,has never had a problem of any sort other than a shutter that started behaving erratically around 80,000 exposures.

Canon turned the repair around in one day and waived the normal $200 +/- repair

charge.

 

Personally,I think the tone of this thread is counterproductive.

There's no point to reference Canons 'superiority' to undermine the M8's current issues

and waving 2 year old Canon problems does nothing to sort out the M8's woes.

 

In my opinion Canon doesn't need the 1Ds Mkl,Mkll,or Mklll to survive but I think

Leica is in a much more tenuous situation and really needs the M8 to be the most

reliable digital age camera if it wants to attract significant numbers of new buyers

and move forward in the years to come.

 

I had earmarked enough money to buy a couple of M8's and a series of lenses

but with the current climate of problems and uncertainly,even if it is being

over stated to some degree,I just can't justify it anymore and have decided to

allocate these funds elsewhere.

 

If this uncertainly can affect me,someone whom I'd consider an unrecovered

Leicaholic,I can only imagine what it does to the buying decision of those

considering a first foray into the Leica brand.

 

Mark

[Jamie Roberts]

{snipped}Firstly,I want it stated for the record that I am willing to complain,and have been known to complain, with the best of them :>))

 

Secondly,I scanned briefly the entire 19 page thread to refresh my memory and found

three of my posts.

 

None were to deal with a 1DsMkll of mine that had the issues discussed in the thread.

Fortunately,my 1DsMkll,after over 1000,000 exposures ,has never had a problem of any sort other than a shutter that started behaving erratically around 80,000 exposures.

Canon turned the repair around in one day and waived the normal $200 +/- repair

charge.

 

Mark--my apologies for giving anyone that impression. I was called on the "dropped images Lexar" issue and asked for evidence, and I simply pointed it out to folks.

 

I used your name and others to show the people involved with the thread were not, um, people who take photography lightly, but some of the most proficient and best in the field (coincidentally, it was also nice to list some of the people whose work I truly admire--I often miss that forum )

 

Some of the people--like James Russell and Mark Tucker IIRC--certainly experienced the 1ds2 problem. I did, too, FWIW, though fortunately not at a wedding

 

Others--like you--did not experience the problem. But you still helped to discuss the problem seriously, as did a lot of other people.

 

Some people panicked. Others didn't. Some people justifiably went to other technologies; others didn't. My 1ds2 also had tens of thousands of actuations on it before I sold it (and I still have a 5d and 1d2)

 

But the Canon firmware fix--along with the Lexar recall--eventually fixed what was seen as a serious initial problem.

 

Once again, my only real point here is that early adopters often face these issues: it's not a Leica-only problem.

 

Canon fixed the 1ds2 and Leica will fix the M8. That was my point.

 

Personally,I think the tone of this thread is counterproductive.

There's no point to reference Canons 'superiority' to undermine the M8's current issues

and waving 2 year old Canon problems does nothing to sort out the M8's woes.

 

In my opinion Canon doesn't need the 1Ds Mkl,Mkll,or Mklll to survive but I think

Leica is in a much more tenuous situation and really needs the M8 to be the most

reliable digital age camera if it wants to attract significant numbers of new buyers

and move forward in the years to come.

 

Personally, I agree on the usefulness of the thread. I just wanted, again, to point out that everyone's technology is subject to teething pain.

 

"Fear--uncertainty--doubt" are the enemies of a rational approach to the problem though. I felt (and still feel) that if people know that Leica is not underperforming market leaders here then they may feel a little better about what is, absolutely, a great camera--the M8.

 

Are there problems still? Yes... but again, they're not any worse than those I've seen before.

 

I had earmarked enough money to buy a couple of M8's and a series of lenses

but with the current climate of problems and uncertainly,even if it is being

over stated to some degree,I just can't justify it anymore and have decided to

allocate these funds elsewhere.

 

If this uncertainly can affect me,someone whom I'd consider an unrecovered

Leicaholic,I can only imagine what it does to the buying decision of those

considering a first foray into the Leica brand.

 

Mark

 

Mark--I truly respect your work and your decision here, but it makes me a bit sad as well. The M8's problems are being overstated by some, especially with regard to Leica's response and actions to date. And I hate to think that any truly talented pros like yourself don't feel they can trust the camera right now.

 

That trust issue is causing us all a bit of sleeplessness, and tempers to flare, even if we know better. It's sort of like having to fly out the day after seeing footage of a major air disaster. Your brain says "same chance today as yesterday; not very much" but in your gut it's hard to shake that nagging feeling...

 

Anyway... I think Leica has done a very good job of working with people to fix problems. They unfortunately don't have the resources of some of the larger companies, and there's bound to be a hiccup or two. But even those big companies have trouble from time to time--even if it doesn't affect all their customers.

[mtomalty]

Jamie

 

I have no doubt Leica is working hard on this. They have no option.

 

I'll definitely be following the story as it unfolds but,at this point in time,I'm just

not clear enough on the degree of the 'hiccup' to leverage my trust into

a $20K purchase. (I'll admit I was extremely tempted last week but when the

demo body[1st generation,BTW] revelaed a couple of centerfold frames I had

to walk away)

 

Mark

 

P.S.-Don't worry about the RG thread reference. I was just messing around by

bringing up some of the details.

[Guest magyarman]

I was trying to help him if you can actually read correctly.

 

This what you tell Edmund:

 

You know what Edmund i told you to call Germany and you did not listen to the advice and now your questioning my memory which i posted 6 times in the last 2 days that i was one of the first to get a failure. I know what happened to mine , no question about it but your bashing everyone and anything in site because you had a failure. i blamed no one for mine. But i can certainly resind my recommendation for a loaner body for you and also my recommendation to C1 to buy your profile. Hope that helps your memory

 

I can to read exactly correct, so can also do every one other. I am not stupith man, no one other here also stupith. No one other who belief you are try to help him. Your words is mad talk and end with threat him. Person like Jamie and Edmund make reality help for other person, mabe you jalosy they nows what they tell, becaus why you explose like bomba to Edmund?

[stunsworth]

As an amateur using an M8, I feel I am in the lucky position of being like someone who owns an old Ferrari as a second car. You can get in it on a Sunday morning and press the starter button . There is that brief frisson when you don't know if you will get varrrrooom or a Magnetti Marelli moment (anyone who has ever had an old Italian car knows this one). If it works - great you go and have a nice drive. If it doesn't - no great tragedy you can always use your other car.

 

Odd that you should mention Ferraris, but I'm currently working on a small industrial estate in Wembley. Anyhow the other week I went for a sandwich at lunchtime and there were about 15 Ferraris parked outside one of the units. I assume someone has set up a service/tuning centre.

 

Off topic I know, but better than some of the on topic posts on this thread.

[Jamie Roberts]

Mark--

 

You're absolutely right--Leica has to make this work.

 

The centerfold frame artifact is really quite disturbing when you see it. FWIW, I haven't seen it on the electronically updated body yet. There is still a readout problem with overexposed lights right at the edge of the frame, which is also nasty when you get it!

[mwalker649]

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[eronald]

My description of how the M8 stopped working is on my blog. There's also another piece of of info there. See my signature.

 

This temporary workaround may help someone caught out with a job to do.

 

The images I took with the cataleptic M8 were the ones I used to make the edits for the new LoSat profile.

 

Edmund

[Riley]

theres a service list for canons thats longer than my arm

mostly sensor issues, but not entirely

[eronald]

theres a service list for canons thats longer than my arm

mostly sensor issues, but not entirely

Riley, what does the term service list mean ?

 

Edmund

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Both of those are on the laundry list that is in Germany now, just waiting for a return. Interestingly enough i have not been able to reproduce either one, with any of the bodies I have had, but i certainly seen them on others. The centerfold is the 2 processing channels running one side being slower than the other side . I talked to leica about both the green band is caused by the dead pixels on the outside of the sensor that the light hits it at a oblique angle and cause that streak. This was what was described to me from Leica at PMA but I will let Leica be the final word on that description from the laundry lists. Which we went over point by point and i did get answers for all of them but me writing it down here now instead of waiting for the answers on paper i would rather not do in case i get it wrong. Hopefully many answers will come in he next few days on this.

[Riley]

Riley, what does the term service list mean ?

 

Edmund

 

notes for the benefit of owners for whom some fault has been determined to attract a level of service (I think but i cant be sure, for free)

 

to be fair, many of them would relate to the 2/3" sensor

but pretty clearly not all

[FastFashnReloaded]

I *paid* someone to model in front of a local monument. We got there, the M8 didn't start up. In the end I persuaded it to take images, though the screen wouldn't display them, and I couldn't set ISO etc.

 

This camera will have to go back to Solms for the second time in 3 months. Between the hardware issues and the color issues, I've had enough. My SLRs may be heavier but they've been round the world a couple of times each, and kept working. For me a camera is a reliable instrument, not a temperamental prima donna.

 

I got the M8 because Leica has a rep for reliability. This camera is a lemon. Leica has taken our money, but they haven't delivered. I need a camera in my bag that works. Enough. I'm getting out.

 

When they have the bugs out, and a pro-level after sales service, I'll be delighted to use a Leica. In the mean time I want to take some images, and this object is a paperweight.

 

Edmund

 

 

Hmmmm... If I were you, instead of screaming on a web board I'd ask for a new camera, or ask the tech specifically what is going on with yours.

 

There is an old saying, applied to cars, aeroplanes and high energy "appliances". "Don't buy anything new, wait and see if someone dies from the product first."

 

You bought a new, first of its kind, gizmo. You had to have it soonest, and you had the disposable income to get it. Now, if you want to get rid of it, some one will no doubt buy it off you BEFORE you send it back. You won't get what you paid of course, but then, for all we know, you are somehow screwing it up.

 

Don't whine, it is unattractive.

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[Riley]

well Dana I dont agree, the camera is the man's bread and butter, and if he feels hard done by given the circumstances he ought be at least have an opportunity to be heard.