panic/aleica

[Guest stnami]

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Eventually a Leica D3 - .5

 

http://news.com.com/Panasonic+plans+lower-end+SLR+camera/2100-1041_3-6165958.html?tag=nefd.top

 

 

or just a rebadged leicaoly... whatever

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[Riley]

like we didnt know

get ready for EVIL

[Guest stnami]

so a leica DSLR version of a CM a cevil

[Riley]

could be on the cards, but i havent heard anything like a hint

 

there has been a lot of smoke and mirrors going on all over 4/3 past months

Olympus type subversion strategies play people like fiddles

among gathering intel on the pro 4/3 from Oly, still to be announced, which I have secured

I kept hearing things about Panasonic EVIL, electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens

Im thinking this is it

[Riley]

of course this also means OIS will be very limited from here

[spylaw4]

Darn it! Have I got my L1 too soon? :-))

[Riley]

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no way Brian

this will be strictly low-end

 

in the longer run tho, who knows what may be in the wings

Olympus, Leica and Panasonic have played a really close deck on all things new

it seems Panasonic and Olympus are collaborating more than was anticipated

 

with Panasonic's production capability

this will be a big heads up across the dSLR manufacturing community

[mjh]

I kept hearing things about Panasonic EVIL, electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens

Im thinking this is it

Only Panasonic is talking about a DSLR, not EVIL. From the specs, it looks like something loosely based on the Olympus E-510. But the odd thing is this: “It will employ Panasonic's image-stabilization technology, which shifts the sensor to counteract camera shake.” Huh?

[Riley]

Ah yes Michael

Panasonic had been testing OIS like developments back in 1982 when seeking alternate usage for angular shifting sensor arrays. And implemented in 1988, the world's first product with optical image stabilization went to market, the PV-460 video camera. Thats the genesis involved here perhaps.

 

So its possible its either the Oly version or the Pana version

 

i dugup the quote

 

Behind the Scenes | LUMIX | Digital Camera | Panasonic

 

 

Its starting point goes back to the development of angular rate sensors, usually called gyrosensors, for use in car navigation. As we were wondering if there might not be some other uses for this technology back in 1982, the idea came up of applying them to correct the jitter in handheld video cameras.

 

[mjh]

Panasonic had been testing OIS like developments back in 1982 when seeking alternate usage for angular shifting sensor arrays. And implemented in 1988, the world's first product with optical image stabilization went to market, the PV-460 video camera. Thats the genesis involved here perhaps.

Sure, but Panasonic’s OIS always worked by moving either the whole lens assembly (as in the PV-460) or a lens group within the lens (as in current Lumix digicams and camcorders). If there is an alternative Panasonic OIS technology based on moving the sensor, that is news to me.

[Riley]

yes i know that too

perhaps me injecting OIS into the equation just confused things

Panasonic had been testing OIS like developments back in 1982

from what I understood of that, its was an alternate use of a shifting sensor, not the OIS we know

in any event there seems to be an amount of technology shared

 

it is possibly the Olympus gear, which they (Panasonic) probably manufacture anyway

[spylaw4]

I"m glad of that Riley!

Interesting to read the sketchy details: In body OIS - therefore certainly different Leica lenses to the L1/D3. Does this mean yet another mount system? This would seem counter-productive. Or are we heading for a 10Mp lower-end 4/3 based system?

[Riley]

some of the information is undoubtedly a translation from Japanese

there could well be a typo or editing mistake, its not the first time thats happened

 

that said, there was some scuttlebutt that there were some tensions between Oly and Pana..... that too was a translation tho ...

 

but if its true, perhaps Pana would be a bit annoyed at Oly going the way it has with IS

if that issue was settled by reverting to in body IS for Pana too, that would explain it

Oly after all, has the largest investment in lenses, and scrapping them is unlikely to be an option

 

notice too, that the more recent 25/1.4 is non OIS

[mjh]

Interesting to read the sketchy details: In body OIS - therefore certainly different Leica lenses to the L1/D3. Does this mean yet another mount system?

Why? The Olympus E-510 has an integrated image stabilizer, so there’s no reason to abandon the FourThirds system just to have an in-camera IS. But the recently announced Vario-Elmar 3.5-5.6/14-150mm ASPH with OIS doesn’t suggest that Panasonic will switch to an in-camera IS technology any time soon.

[spylaw4]

As Riley says - it may be in the translation, but I thought this extract from the statement by Ichiro Kitao was fairly clear...."...• It will employ Panasonic's image-stabilization technology, which shifts the sensor to counteract camera shake."

There is no mention of this new project being 4/3 based! I was merely pointing out the apparent complexity of yet another mounting system, unless of course the new lenses used an existing one, and perhaps the 25/1.4 is a pointer although arguably one doesn't need OIS on that prime lens?

[mjh]

it may be in the translation, but I thought this extract from the statement by Ichiro Kitao was fairly clear...."...• It will employ Panasonic's image-stabilization technology, which shifts the sensor to counteract camera shake."

Yep, that’s the odd bit. Panasonic's image-stabilization technology has always been based on shifting a lens group, not the sensor. If they had been secretly working on a totally different technology, they wouldn’t break the news just in passing, would they? And certainly, the interviewer would have commented on such an unexpected turn of events. A translation error seems more likely.

 

There is no mention of this new project being 4/3 based!

Not explicitly, but since there is no real alternative, it pretty much has to be a FourThirds camera. It’s difficult enough establishing FourThirds as a viable alternative to the existing mounts, but introducing a new system is out of the question. And Kitao is talking about expanding the existing range ("First we'll expand the SLR range to the mass market."), not about introducing a new system.

 

perhaps the 25/1.4 is a pointer although arguably one doesn't need OIS on that prime lens?

For one thing, OIS may be unnecessary, but more importantly, I don’t think it’s even possible to add OIS to that lens.