zlatkob Posted June 19, 2012 Share #21 Posted June 19, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) There is no problem with an EVF or AF if they are made to be fast. The problem is with a slow EVF or slow AF. AF is very fast on high end photo gear. Today's EVFs are too slow, but perhaps they'll be much faster in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zlatkob Posted June 19, 2012 Share #22 Posted June 19, 2012 No way ! It would still be called 'Man Jumping Over a Puddle'.That's because he actually did not use the viewfinder for that one, he slided the lens in a small space between two boards and clicked to shot the view. It was only once the film was processed that he saw there was a man in there… I love the quote: "It's always luck. It's luck that matters. You have to be receptive, that's all. Like the relationship between things, it's a matter of chance. If you want it, you get nothing. Just be receptive and it happens." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmond_terakopian Posted June 19, 2012 Share #23 Posted June 19, 2012 So what is your working method? I use aperture priority on M9 and M7 a lot because aperture effects rendering. When I shot nothing but M2 and M4 cameras, I set aperture first. As long as I know the shutter speed is within the range I like, I see no difference from letting the meter handle the shutter speed. I shoot manually, which for me is faster. I set me exposure every time I'm in a new pool of light and then when needed, take a picture. I prefer to make the judgement on exposure and not let the camera decide. My point though was that the 'A' mode is there and doesn't bother me. I just don't use it :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmond_terakopian Posted June 19, 2012 Share #24 Posted June 19, 2012 There is no problem with an EVF or AF if they are made to be fast. The problem is with a slow EVF or slow AF. AF is very fast on high end photo gear. Today's EVFs are too slow, but perhaps they'll be much faster in the future. I think the EVF on the Leica X2 is superb and very usable. I had an Olympus EP-2 for around a year; this uses the same EVF. I found it very usable and had no issues in either news work or street photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRabern Posted June 19, 2012 Share #25 Posted June 19, 2012 Hi All, my first real post. I feel there are some concepts interplaying which make replying to the OP difficult: - HCB was shooting with the best tool of the day (the Leica RF), so it was better by comparison - By chance he was shooting during an era which photography was rare and the artist was much rarer - By his own omission, the right place and the right time was a force multiplier I feel the simplicity of the day allowed for a much easier decision to publish and anything published would have been excellent because it was rare and beautiful. I feel, in my set of experiences which have formed this opinion, that today if they were fewer photographers and fewer artists and HCB had taken the photo with an EVF it would be the same photo with the same title, just technically different. Thank you for reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted June 19, 2012 Share #26 Posted June 19, 2012 I think the EVF on the Leica X2 is superb and very usable. I had an Olympus EP-2 for around a year; this uses the same EVF. I found it very usable and had no issues in either news work or street photography. You're very lucky to get on so well with that finder. I agree it's significantly better than the Panasonic LVF1, but still gave me the feeling of viewing a TV through a peephole, vs seeing the actual scene as through an optical viewfinder or a mirror/prism SLR. Another issue I have with EVFs is the way they magnify the brightness. I found it very uncomfortable in dark surroundings with my slow-accomodating middle-aged eyes to come away from the finder with a constricted pupil in that eye and a dilated pupil in the other. EVFs certainly win me over arms-out viewing on a rear screen, but none I've seen so far would I trade for an optical or reflex finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ming Rider Posted June 19, 2012 Share #27 Posted June 19, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi All, my first real post. I feel there are some concepts interplaying which make replying to the OP difficult: - HCB was shooting with the best tool of the day (the Leica RF), so it was better by comparison - By chance he was shooting during an era which photography was rare and the artist was much rarer - By his own omission, the right place and the right time was a force multiplier I feel the simplicity of the day allowed for a much easier decision to publish and anything published would have been excellent because it was rare and beautiful. I feel, in my set of experiences which have formed this opinion, that today if they were fewer photographers and fewer artists and HCB had taken the photo with an EVF it would be the same photo with the same title, just technically different. Thank you for reading. Hello Michael, welcome to the forum and thank you for such a concise contribution. You are right I feel. Henri was lucky enough to be active at a time when practically everything was new which as you say, gave him Cart Blanche to photograph anything because it was new and exciting. Even with an EVF he would have produced marvels because he was such a natural talent, though I think he would have found the phenomena of a viewfinder that delays time rather frustrating. Maybe one day the technology will catchup, though personally I feel an EVF is rather like trying to invent an alternative to sliced bread. Pointless and unnecessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
symmetron Posted June 19, 2012 Share #28 Posted June 19, 2012 Well, there's this rumor that HCB whispered his dying last words to his wife on his death bed, "I would have used a zoom lens if I had one". Afterwards, Leica paid his family hush money to never divulge his last words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 19, 2012 Share #29 Posted June 19, 2012 Err, uhmm, ah, yeah but no but . . . Oh yes, he was also an habitual liar. More than likely, it was staged. I haven't had a look in Magnum Contacts, but I doubt there is anything more than the final image there. I've always suspected he destroyed his contact sheets to preserve the myths of his final images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted June 19, 2012 Share #30 Posted June 19, 2012 In his later years, HCB had a black Minilux, which was autofocus, but not EVF (though a viewfinder with significant limitations!). Don't know if he published anything taken with it though; allegedly he liked it quite a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ming Rider Posted June 19, 2012 Share #31 Posted June 19, 2012 Well, there's this rumor that HCB whispered his dying last words to his wife on his death bed, "I would have used a zoom lens if I had one". Afterwards, Leica paid his family hush money to never divulge his last words. Yeah, that darn iluminati get everywhere you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ming Rider Posted June 19, 2012 Share #32 Posted June 19, 2012 More than likely, it was staged. Seriously I've often wondered that. Just look at the size of the puddle. Not even an Olympic long jumper would try to clear that. The guy in the picture just knows he's headed for the drink, so if he was genuine, why not walk around the flood ?? It was probably a mate. Henri said, "Here Jean Paul, I want to see what this new camera can do. Go over there and when I shout, you run like f**k and try to jump that diesel spill. I'll buy you a crate of Seize Soixante Quatre". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted June 19, 2012 Share #33 Posted June 19, 2012 Ansel Adams' Moonrise Over Hernandez would have been Midnight In New Mexico. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted June 19, 2012 Share #34 Posted June 19, 2012 I had a IIIF and I thought the viewfinder/rangefinder was fairly terrible. It certainly wasn't fast to load or shoot with. I really don't think his choice of a Leica was that big a deal. The Sony SLT cameras are EVF and are very fast and responsive. If HCB had one he could have shot an entire sequence of 10 frames or so for that jump and they'd all be sharp. Gene Smith used Minoltas later in life and did ads for Soligor lenses at one time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRabern Posted June 19, 2012 Share #35 Posted June 19, 2012 So what is your working method? I use aperture priority on M9 and M7 a lot because aperture effects rendering. When I shot nothing but M2 and M4 cameras, I set aperture first. As long as I know the shutter speed is within the range I like, I see no difference from letting the meter handle the shutter speed. I only use the aperture setting for when I need too. Otherwise its on auto for brevity. (I would like an in-focus indicator and/or a larger reflex focus patch and more protected buttons, or button/wheel lock.) I am not a purist, nor a technophob. I have missed more shots due to focus than exposure. (For that matter I use Auto ISO too.) I don't think any type of equipment replaces preperation and immersement. But I do think while "being there" one does need the tool right for them, thus being prepared. Not that it matters, but I don't like EVF, yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ming Rider Posted June 20, 2012 Share #36 Posted June 20, 2012 I love the quote: "It's always luck. It's luck that matters. You have to be receptive, that's all. Like the relationship between things, it's a matter of chance. If you want it, you get nothing. Just be receptive and it happens." As they say, "Everybody is born lucky, some more lucky than others". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted June 20, 2012 Share #37 Posted June 20, 2012 I only use the aperture setting for when I need too. Otherwise its on auto for brevity. That makes no sense to me. Auto is aperture priority. Or am I missing a feature... no, don't think so. Pure slavery to aperture priority is not what I advocate except to the neophyte or one who just wants to keep it very simple. We can all compensate very quickly using indirect readings, and exposure lock, or best - our experience. 35mm is a weary subject, but just at this moment. Today I delivered a Deardorf system to a colleague. It made my day. Took three people to schlep all the gear to his van. Pax, Pico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted June 20, 2012 Share #38 Posted June 20, 2012 I would shoot manual a lot more if the aperture were displayed in the finder like the speed is when shooting in A which to me is A for "Aperture Priority", an auto setting.. Ok, I know it just guesses what aperture you're using in the EXIF data. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRabern Posted June 20, 2012 Share #39 Posted June 20, 2012 That makes no sense to me. Auto is aperture priority. Or am I missing a feature... no, don't think so. Pure slavery to aperture priority is not what I advocate except to the neophyte or one who just wants to keep it very simple. We can all compensate very quickly using indirect readings, and exposure lock, or best - our experience. 35mm is a weary subject, but just at this moment. Today I delivered a Deardorf system to a colleague. It made my day. Took three people to schlep all the gear to his van. Pax, Pico Snafu. Allow me to correct: I use shutter setting when i feel its needed, otherwise on auto. I should now add: when on the move with the m9 I prefer shutter priority, adjusting focus and aperture to suit my aims, and sometimes I use auto iso combined, although less frequently. Do you use advocate no auto settings when aiming for speed? We maybe off topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRabern Posted June 20, 2012 Share #40 Posted June 20, 2012 As they say, "Everybody is born lucky, some more lucky than others". I have always entertained the idea of some sort of journalistic approach to photography, or make an effort at an artistic endeavor, but the hidden investment to be lucky is the time commitment to be so. I was checking out you site today, too. It looks interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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