Now a New 4/3 Lens Roadmap

[Riley]

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Now a new lens roadmap from Olympus for 4/3

 

http://www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/products/lens/pdf/zuiko_lens_eng

[Guest stnami]

.... no 12mm!!! suprised no,no,and no, just one prime wide*&*)(&^&$%#$.....................@%#%#$@%@#...................please,, Leica???

[sdai]

The D40x with a lowly 18-55 will easily beat the mystical "E-3" with anything in the roadmap in terms of resolution.

 

And, Olympus is still trying to fool people with the 300mm@4/3 being equivalent to 600@35mm thing ... think again:

 

If you shoot the same subject from the same distance with a Zuiko 300/2.8 and a EF 600/4L, you can't get the same resolution on the same subject, therefore you can't use the cropped image as the equivalent to the real 35mm FF image.

 

Plus, you're paying more for a 300/2.8 than you should for a 600/4L IS.

 

4/3 is Olympus's shortsighted venture into digital imaging mainly due to their incompetence in semiconductor engineering. It would only make sense when they can't source a big-enough sensor at a reasonable cost.

 

Time has changed. And bigger sensors can be had for a really cheap price now.

[audidudi]

If you shoot the same subject from the same distance with a Zuiko 300/2.8 and a EF 600/4L, you can't get the same resolution on the same subject, therefore you can't use the cropped image as the equivalent to the real 35mm FF image.

 

While 35mm-sized sensors do have many pros, they also have many cons. I believe you're simplifying things a bit too much here as there's more to "resolution" than just the number of pixels that define the subject of an image.

[NickR]

Panasonic has anounced that the Leica 4/3's 25/1.4 will go on sale March 24.

[Riley]

time and again i hear these predictions about the death of 4/3, never one of them has been right. This year more than ever.

 

Seems to me that since FF wont do ultra-wide well, with its edge softness and blooming

and 1.3 crop does significantly better, 1.3 is about the sweet spot

so for what its worth, on your analogy, APS C should have its cheque cancelled too

but while that isnt going to happen either, dont let the truth to it get in the way of a bs argument

 

while your busy ogling those charts for lens specs Simon

and leaving aside that cheap F4 rubbish is far from expensive F2.8 fast

the mtf specification doesnt transfer from system to system

your ideas on 300x2x and 600x1x are nothing short of weird

the person that choses to suggest that Olympus glass isnt up to it is on his ownsome

what you seem not to understand is the Olympus lenses outresolve the sensor

so even if I put some Nikon glass on my 4/3, which i could do, it wouldnt make a scrap of difference

well aside from distorting like a coke bottle anyways

 

the chip density is the limitation, and experience proves that noise limitations aside

chip density still has some way to go, this would be why D2 does such a remarkable job

I would put the D2 up against the D40 any day of the week and twice on Sundays

yet its sensor is a fraction the size of 4/3

 

and so we come to the de-featured D40

The lack of internal motor which prohibits you to buy most affordable 3rd party lenses from Tokina, Sigma and Tamron,

and some other annoyances, make the D40 far from the camera of choice.

 

The lack of an internal motor means that you can only use more expensive AF S lenses, that is unless manual focus has just become better too. And if you plan on shooting RAW instead of JPEG, you will have to pay 150$ extra for Nikon's RAW software. Who ever thinks D40 is an improvement in digital photography has a strange idea about cameras

[spylaw4]

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Panasonic has anounced that the Leica 4/3's 25/1.4 will go on sale March 24.

 

Ah, but at what price? Sweepstake anyone?

[rosuna]

Seems to me that since FF wont do ultra-wide well

 

It is very difficult to make ultra-wide lenses for smaller formats.

[Riley]

Ah, but at what price? Sweepstake anyone?

 

our man in Japan says MSRP is 126,000 yen, about US$1000

[Riley]

It is very difficult to make ultra-wide lenses for smaller formats.

 

yes it is, that is unless you are good at it

once you have achieved the optical quality and eliminate distortion

you have a system beyond what FF can do

 

the 7-14mm/F4 and the 11-22/F2.8-3.5 are both excellent lenses

the 7-14 really has no equal in any other system, thats an absolute

[sdai]

See ... this is why I really enjoy these web chatboards because we all seem to have many things to disagree upon ...

 

So I heard ... the EF 600/4L is cheap and rubbish ... LOL and Rob, you would put a D2 (I assume that you're talking about Digilux2 ... )above a D40 for your daily job? because of what?

 

And who is prohibiting customers from buying 3rd party lenses because the D40 doesn't have a in-camera motor? ... Sigmas, Tamrons and Tokinas have been mounted on EOS bodies for almost 20 years.

 

And who just said FF doesn't do ultra wides well? then I guess we can dump the 12/5.6 CV, 15/4.5 CV, 15 Distagon, 15 Super-Elmarit, WATE, 19 Elmarit, 21 Distagon, the 21 Biogon ( the list could still go on ... ) into a landfill.

 

So you say the 7-14 has no peer in any other system? now hold for a sec ... it's really just a 14-28 in 35mm terms and what about the Contax 17-35 ... WATE and maybe you can help me think a lot more.

 

Now since this is a Leica forum ... dare I ask why Leica doesn't bother to mention the 25/1.4 "Summilux" on their own web site at all?

[spylaw4]

our man in Japan says MSRP is 126,000 yen, about US$1000

 

Hmm - somewhat over £520 or thereby. But I would hazard a guess that the $ figure will become £ in the UK!

 

Any word of the 14-150 OIS?

[Riley]

 

So I heard ... the EF 600/4L is cheap and rubbish ... LOL and Rob, you would put a D2 (I assume that you're talking about Digilux2 ... )above a D40 for your daily job? because of what?

 

I dont consider a below average 6Mp dSLR has much on a D2, in particular in IQ

all this has been said here, and in more objective analysis elsewhere like at Luminous Landscape. While D2 has its faults, IQ isnt one of them.

 

And who is prohibiting customers from buying 3rd party lenses because the D40 doesn't have a in-camera motor? ... Sigmas, Tamrons and Tokinas have been mounted on EOS bodies for almost 20 years.

 

Nikons design only permits AF with AF S series lenses, there are a few, but only a few among third party manufacturers. Almost all the Nikon AF S glass is comparatively more expensive, but in that isnt necessarily a better lens. Sigma is not allowed to produce HSM motors in same focal range. Has to do with patents and an agreement. Altenatives then even among Nikon lenses are MF only, how is it you dont know that ?

 

And who just said FF doesn't do ultra wides well? then I guess we can dump the 12/5.6 CV, 15/4.5 CV, 15 Distagon, 15 Super-Elmarit, WATE, 19 Elmarit, 21 Distagon, the 21 Biogon ( the list could still go on ... ) into a landfill.

 

not only me, lots of people would buy into that, this is the reason d entre for 4/3. This is one of the benefits of M8 in the FF environment. Its ok for portraits in bokeh, but its useless for deep DoF ultra wide photography. And on that, deep DoF is always going to be more achievable on a smaller sensor in lower light

 

So you say the 7-14 has no peer in any other system? now hold for a sec ... it's really just a 14-28 in 35mm terms and what about the Contax 17-35 ... WATE and maybe you can help me think a lot more.

 

ok clearly you have never seen output from this rectilinear lens, and 3 mm is a big difference in this league, yet you talk about that like its out of hand. So go here and actually look at something objectively

 

Olympus ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 7-14mm 1:4.0 full review Cameralabs gallery

 

then read their conclusion

 

Olympus ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 7-14mm 1:4.0 full review Cameralabs verdict

 

"Ultimately though, the Olympus ZUIKO DIGITAL 7-14mm remains an extremely impressive package. It may be expensive compared to ultra-wides for rival DSLRs, but sports wider coverage and better-corrected optics.

 

Indeed, rather than just describing it as the only ultra-wide option for Four Thirds owners, we'd go as far as to say it's a compelling reason to buy a Four Thirds body in the first place. Certainly if you're a well-healed ultra-wide fanatic looking to invest in a new DSLR system, it should sway your decision towards Four Thirds. We particularly enjoyed testing the ZUIKO DIGITAL 7-14mm and, reservations about price noted, can highly recommend it."

 

not much i can add to that, except to say, you wont find an equal lens to this in any of the brand B, or other manufacturers. The samples shown are nothing compared to some of the images Ive seen of Cathedral interiors, Napoleon's tomb etc. If you believe your bingo parlour ex ebay lens is its equivalent good luck to you...

 

Now since this is a Leica forum ... dare I ask why Leica doesn't bother to mention the 25/1.4 "Summilux" on their own web site at all?

 

it isnt in release yet, maybe thats why, but i reckon you should ask them that

[Riley]

Hmm - somewhat over £520 or thereby. But I would hazard a guess that the $ figure will become £ in the UK!

 

Any word of the 14-150 OIS?

 

no idea myself Brian, sorta hoping to hear from Panasonic this week !

[Riley]

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[sdai]

I dont consider a below average 6Mp dSLR has much on a D2, in particular in IQ

all this has been said here, and in more objective analysis elsewhere like at Luminous Landscape. While D2 has its faults, IQ isnt one of them.

Funny you should mention it, Rob ... what do you mean IQ? metering? focusing? so the Digilux 2 is bettering a Nikon on those?

 

]Nikons design only permits AF with AF S series lenses, there are a few, but only a few among third party manufacturers. Almost all the Nikon AF S glass is comparatively more expensive, but in that isnt necessarily a better lens. Sigma is not allowed to produce HSM motors in same focal range. Has to do with patents and an agreement. Altenatives then even among Nikon lenses are MF only, how is it you dont know that ?

Regardless, people will find third party lenses can be used on the D40/D40x. And manual focus lenses are just ... manual focus lenses, there's no problem you can use them on a Nikon or a Canon ... but I know for sure, you WILL have hard time using them on a 4/3 camera.

 

not only me, lots of people would buy into that, this is the reason d entre for 4/3. This is one of the benefits of M8 in the FF environment. Its ok for portraits in bokeh, but its useless for deep DoF ultra wide photography. And on that, deep DoF is always going to be more achievable on a smaller sensor in lower light

You can always stop down to f22 or even f32 if you like ... can't do that with a FF camera? no kidding. LOL

 

"Ultimately though, the Olympus ZUIKO DIGITAL 7-14mm remains an extremely impressive package. It may be expensive compared to ultra-wides for rival DSLRs, but sports wider coverage and better-corrected optics.

This is simply wrong ... what wider coverage? so they're saying there's nothing to cover wider than 14mm FOV on 35mm? come on.

 

Certainly if you're a well-healed ultra-wide fanatic looking to invest in a new DSLR system, it should sway your decision towards Four Thirds.

That just doesn't make sense ... the 12/5.6 CV is available for both RF and SLR for a fraction of the 7-14's cost.

 

not much i can add to that, except to say, you wont find an equal lens to this in any of the brand B, or other manufacturers. The samples shown are nothing compared to some of the images Ive seen of Cathedral interiors, Napoleon's tomb etc. If you believe your bingo parlour ex ebay lens is its equivalent good luck to you...

Not to burst the 4/3 bubble and I'm sure it'll find its place in the market ... the point I'm trying to make is - it certainly provide zero advantage over the more conventional formats.

 

Mind you ... I do really find a lot of great stuff on eBay - comparing to the money that I've saved from buying in the used market, the money that I've lost due to false description of the ebay merchandise is negligible. I do USE and ABUSE my equipment, so there's little point buying brandnew.

[Riley]

Funny you should mention it, Rob ... what do you mean IQ? metering? focusing? so the Digilux 2 is bettering a Nikon on those?

 

The abbreviation 'IQ' around here usually denotes 'image quality'. That itself is a vague, subjective term that could encompass not only the obvious resolving power, but also the (lack of) chromatic aberration, geometric distortions, and vignetting. There's also sometimes discussion of the appearance of out-of-focus areas, a property sometimes called 'bokeh'.

 

Regardless, people will find third party lenses can be used on the D40/D40x. And manual focus lenses are just ... manual focus lenses, there's no problem you can use them on a Nikon or a Canon ... but I know for sure, you WILL have hard time using them on a 4/3 camera.

 

thats fine, your happy to pay AF prices for MF lenses, seems kinda odd to me tho

With the 4/3 register being somewhat short, I can fit all but Leica M glass to a 4/3, just dont see why I should settle for lower quality tho ...

 

 

You can always stop down to f22 or even f32 if you like ... can't do that with a FF camera? no kidding. LOL

 

yeah no problem, now balance the outside light with flash and cover a 22ft room lol.

in lower light, FF would be in trouble before me. Oh and hurry up there are 8 more rooms to do..

 

This is simply wrong ... what wider coverage? so they're saying there's nothing to cover wider than 14mm FOV on 35mm? come on.

 

the idea of quotes Simon, is to get someone else to say them, this is an AF rectilinear lens, where is the competition ?

 

That just doesn't make sense ... the 12/5.6 CV is available for both RF and SLR for a fraction of the 7-14's cost.

 

as above

 

Not to burst the 4/3 bubble and I'm sure it'll find its place in the market ... the point I'm trying to make is - it certainly provide zero advantage over the more conventional formats.

 

seems the argument has shifted from big deficit to zero advantage

although I would dispute that

if you want to know what new features Canon will have next year, look at Olympus this year

 

Mind you ... I do really find a lot of great stuff on eBay - comparing to the money that I've saved from buying in the used market, the money that I've lost due to false description of the ebay merchandise is negligible. I do USE and ABUSE my equipment, so there's little point buying brandnew.

 

i knew that already

[Riley]

no idea myself Brian, sorta hoping to hear from Panasonic this week !

 

just in Brian

 

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[sdai]

LOL ... Rob, I knew you'll bite. But now I'm going to call for a timeout and grab something to eat ... for some reason, I do feel the strong desire to convert you - a bigger hole will let in more light, right? come to the brighter side.

 

It's a great joy chatting with you ... much better than any involvement in the unpredictable M8 and nobody knows when where what next R threads. LOL Cheers!

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[Riley]

LOL ... Rob, I knew you'll bite. But now I'm going to call for a timeout and grab something to eat ... for some reason, I do feel the strong desire to convert you - a bigger hole will let in more light, right? come to the brighter side.

 

It's a great joy chatting with you ... much better than any involvement in the unpredictable M8 and nobody knows when where what next R threads. LOL Cheers!

 

been there done that

 

cheers