M10 interline CCD?

[pico]

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Could this be the next sensor to replace the KAF-18500?

 

Interline CCD, full frame, electronic 'shutter', 4FPS, 29 Mp

[mmradman]

Does this CCD sensor support liveview?

 

For any future Leica to provide R solution in current M form factor liveview would be mandatory.

[pico]

Does this CCD sensor support liveview?

 

For any future Leica to provide R solution in current M form factor liveview would be mandatory.

 

No, it does not provide liveview. I'm weary of the R solution babble, and I hope Leica is, too.

[Sp12]

Look at those ADU and read interphase specs. Basically 10% on top of the M10. Plus a lack of live view makes it an unlikely candidate.

[Steve Ash]

I would love to hear that the answer to the initial question is yes.

Steve

[mmradman]

No, it does not provide liveview. I'm weary of the R solution babble, and I hope Leica is, too.

 

Nothing trivial about orphaning million R lenses.

[masjah]

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Nothing trivial about orphaning million R lenses.

 

Agreed! Furthermore, to be implicitly accused of "babbling" Is not something to which I take kindly; to me and to many others it is still an important issue.

[Jamie Roberts]

No, it does not provide liveview. I'm weary of the R solution babble, and I hope Leica is, too.

 

Very very interesting. It's apparently far more sensitive to light as well than previous models (2 times, they claim).

 

Is that because of their variant non-Bayer-filter array? What kind of image degradation would that cause? I remember when Kodak first announced it, and that it would increase light sensitivity of CCDs, many people said it would never show up in a sensor above 10mp or so...or that the sensor would be unsuitable for photographic purposes. But here it is anyway

 

I wonder why it's marked for medical or security purposes?

[pico]

Agreed! Furthermore, to be implicitly accused of "babbling" Is not something to which I take kindly; to me and to many others it is still an important issue.

 

I should have written 'agonizing'. Regardless, it's merely my opinion and if someone chooses to take it personally, then that is his perfect right.

 

"Mommy, Pico is not being PC!"

[Jamie Roberts]

I should have written 'agonizing'. Regardless, it's merely my opinion and if someone chooses to take it personally, then that is his perfect right.

 

"Mommy, Pico is not being PC!"

 

As an orphaned R user, and an M user, I also don't believe a new M is the vehicle for the "R solution" either. And I took your post to read "Leica's babble" on the R system--since they clearly haven't addressed the death of the system yet.

 

I mean, it will be ok if it is some modified M with live-view, but I kind of hope not. The M is a terrible physical match. I used my R 19mm on my M9 with a Novoflex adapter. It worked spectacularly well, don't get me wrong (since zone focusing with a 19 is very, very easy), but the lens itself so much outweighed the camera that it was a ridiculous pair.

 

That's going to be the case for any R lens except maybe an old small Summcron 50. I for one wouldn't shoot a 180 APO Elmarit on an M body. Yuck.

 

So the "R solution" will be something else which I probably won't like. OTH, maybe there's some EVF technology around the corner that will make me eat my words; it's one reason I haven't done surgery on any of my R lenses yet...

[masjah]

I should have written 'agonizing'. Regardless, it's merely my opinion and if someone chooses to take it personally, then that is his perfect right.

 

"Mommy, Pico is not being PC!"

 

Agreed, yes it's merely your opinion.

Agreed, yes it's my right to take it personally.

 

Agreed, "agonising" is nowhere near as patronising a word as "babbling".

[mjh]

Could this be the next sensor to replace the KAF-18500?

 

Interline CCD, full frame, electronic 'shutter', 4FPS, 29 Mp

The charge capacity is just one thirds of that delivered by the KAF-18500 and its dynamic range is worse as well. You would get life view but I suppose that would require active cooling. A CMOS sensor would be the more obvious choice.

[mmradman]

The charge capacity is just one thirds of that delivered by the KAF-18500 and its dynamic range is worse as well. You would get life view but I suppose that would require active cooling. A CMOS sensor would be the more obvious choice.

 

Michael,

 

You are one of very few people here on LUF who actually know what he is talking about so would you care to speculate what is likely target use for sensor we discuss here.

 

Curious.

[mjh]

Previously Kodak’s KAI line of sensors have been targeting industrial and scientific applications. Interline transfer CCDs are still the standard sensor type for compact digicams with small sensor sizes, even when during the last few years backlit CMOS sensors have reached a market share of about one third. Few DSLRs had interline transfer CCDs (the Nikon D70, D70s, and D50); generally it was either full-frame transfer CCDs or CMOS sensors. Alle the EVIL cameras use CMOS.

[mmradman]

Previously Kodak’s KAI line of sensors have been targeting industrial and scientific applications. Interline transfer CCDs are still the standard sensor type for compact digicams with small sensor sizes, even when during the last few years backlit CMOS sensors have reached a market share of about one third. Few DSLRs had interline transfer CCDs (the Nikon D70, D70s, and D50); generally it was either full-frame transfer CCDs or CMOS sensors. Alle the EVIL cameras use CMOS.

 

 

DX Nikon D70/s and D50 are ancient history in DSLR terms, industrial & scientific makes sense.

 

What is confusing why design and advertise 24x36mm sensor if not for a street camera. Does it mean that there are industrial applications that require 24x36mm sensor with colour capability and frame rate up to 4fps. What is likely ISO sensitivity for these devices.

[sandymc]

What is confusing why design and advertise 24x36mm sensor if not for a street camera.

 

Several reasons - (a) existing production setup, ( even cameras for industrial/scientific purposes need lenses, and good 35mm format lenses are cheap and easily available. So from a buyer's perspective, the overall system is cheaper.

 

Sandy

[mjh]

What is confusing why design and advertise 24x36mm sensor if not for a street camera. Does it mean that there are industrial applications that require 24x36mm sensor with colour capability and frame rate up to 4fps..

I suppose so; there have been similar Kodak CCDs with 11 and 16 MP, all in the 36 x 24 mm form factor.