mjh Posted May 10, 2012 Share #201 Posted May 10, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anyone know if it still has an IR-Cut filter? It’s the same IR filter/cover glass the M9 has. Apart from taking care of infrared it also absorbs some of the red light which is necessary to ensure a roughly panchromatic spectral response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ho_co Posted May 10, 2012 Share #202 Posted May 10, 2012 Anyone know if it still has an IR-Cut filter? Yes, same as M9. Oops. Michael beat me to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted May 10, 2012 Share #203 Posted May 10, 2012 Has the X2 retained the same poor macro facility as the X1? dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted May 10, 2012 Share #204 Posted May 10, 2012 ... it's APO by Leica's definition.[/url] No it's not. It doesn't say APO because it isn't. Hannes is right. The error in Thorsten's article has been covered a number of times on the forum. See also Erwin Puts on the matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted May 10, 2012 Share #205 Posted May 10, 2012 It's more than just a stop-a-two surely though? The noise performance is better on top of that because of the lack of filters (I'm guessing this of course). Now B&W just need to make some colour and ND filters combined ! Instead of guessing go to Reid's site and look for yourself. It is about a stop better and a little sharper than the M9. It is going to have a difficult time coming close to the D800E in DR and the resolution may not be as good. This M9M is not for me. Just MHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALD Posted May 10, 2012 Share #206 Posted May 10, 2012 Yes the monochrome pictures are good Yes I would perhaps prefer this camera over the M9 for a year as it is a good idea to learn about light on BW But I want this detail from an extremely upgraded Color sensor so that when I turn that into monochrome the effect will be similar. So if I buy this M9M and then an improved M10 is released with a sensor that matches the monochrome sensor then I will have lost money buy buying the M9M because the ability to resell it will be less than the color camera which has universal appeal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornellfrancis Posted May 10, 2012 Share #207 Posted May 10, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) No post processing necessary? Then why include silverfx. I wonder if the sample images were all shot jpeg. If so then this is a camera I would consider. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted May 10, 2012 Share #208 Posted May 10, 2012 True to form, the dpreview images are really terrible - burnt-out highlights all over the place: this image, for instance. Leica should sue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted May 10, 2012 Share #209 Posted May 10, 2012 No post processing necessary? Then why include silverfx. I wonder if the sample images were all shot jpeg. If so then this is a camera I would consider. MM is RAW only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted May 10, 2012 Share #210 Posted May 10, 2012 No, it's RAW (DNG) or JPG. See New Leica Products Announced in Berlin | La Vida Leica!, mentioned in post #17 of this thread. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/179028-leica-event-may-10th-%E2%80%93-live-coverage/?do=findComment&comment=2007384'>More sharing options...
Sp12 Posted May 10, 2012 Share #211 Posted May 10, 2012 No it's not. It doesn't say APO because it isn't. The error in Thorsten's article has been covered a number of times on the forum. See also Erwin Puts on the matter. Sure, it's not true APO (ala say, the 280/4) but as mentioned it focuses 3 wavelengths at the same plane (Leica's definition), and certainly offers colour correction at least on par with my 90AA. Issue is that there's no universal definition of APO except supeior to an achromat. Leica doesn't officially call the 50 Lux APO, but as far as I'm concerned it's beating my APO 90 and has an element designed to correct color errors, plus Karbe supposedly says it's APO as well. And the statement that the 75/2 APO and 50/1.4 are the same design is clearly reinforced when you examine the lens diagrams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snowboarder Posted May 10, 2012 Share #212 Posted May 10, 2012 X2 is a live view based camera so what's the excuse to use the cr@ppy LCD? I'm really really worried M10 will use it too... Leica - amazing lenses, crappy cameras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robnath Posted May 10, 2012 Share #213 Posted May 10, 2012 I think that the M9M could be a really positive sign for M9 owners PROVIDED that the a Monocrom upgrade is offered at some later point. It could be a confirmation that the M9 form factor will continue to be developed and upgraded in the future. Whilst this is purely conjecture, wouldn't it be interesting if M9 owners could upgrade their sensor and other bits in the future to extend the life of what is, after all, a product with a limited shelf life (digital rot). Maybe this is a taste of things to come. A B&W option in the near future, maybe a higher DR colour sensor / ISO performance / megapixels or whatever at some other point. This could be Leica's finest hour Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmyjoe Posted May 10, 2012 Share #214 Posted May 10, 2012 I would find the higher resolution of the M9M interesting, along with the higher ISO capabilities. Bummer about the price though. And I never thought I'd see the day that Leica introduced a 50mm cron that approaches the price of their 50mm Noctilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted May 10, 2012 Share #215 Posted May 10, 2012 So much for the deluge of $3700 barely breathed on M9 bodies that were going to flood the market... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo.Battista Posted May 10, 2012 Share #216 Posted May 10, 2012 M9 Monochrom is a very niche type of camera, so I think it wouldn't sell in so many pieces, even if for some it will be unbeatable. X2 doesn't add significantly things in respect to other similar cameras (interesting the comparison with X100, but we should compare it to Fuji X-Pro1, Nex 7, Ricoh GXR with M12 module, due to pricing and type of product). $6000 for a 50 f:2 is a very interesting thing for top buyers who would like to have the most expensive f:2 lens of the world, but it will not change the lives of all other photographers. To reach the 1% market share, Leica will need other products. IMHO. Let's look at Photokina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil U Posted May 10, 2012 Share #217 Posted May 10, 2012 Will the non-ASPH 50 still be "available"? It would make sense for it to remain available, surely? Remains as the compact option, perhaps? More to the point, cheaper! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted May 10, 2012 Share #218 Posted May 10, 2012 ... Karbe supposedly says it's APO as well. When you follow all the "It's apochromatic" threads back to their origin, they all go back to that single citation. Enough said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 10, 2012 Share #219 Posted May 10, 2012 No, it's RAW or JPG. And unlike the JPEGs you get out of the M9 these are truly indicative of what the M Monochrom can deliver. Raw files still have their uses but from a quality perspective you could just as well shoot JPEG only (which I would never do with the M9) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 10, 2012 Share #220 Posted May 10, 2012 Will the non-ASPH 50 still be "available"? I understand it will continue to be available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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