wparsonsgisnet Posted March 5, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) IU shot an indoor soccer game yesterday, the first chance to use 1.091 to any degree. Â Here is a shot showing the effect of a new profile that Edmund Ronald prepared for this version of the M8 firmware. Â Shot one is the jpeg from the camera, with auto WB. Shot two has been corrected using Edmund's profile in C1 in combination with a WB from a gray shirt selected from the pix. Â I'll post some more as I get more pix to show, but I really like what I got. Â Thanks to Edmund, any alpha testers of v1.091 that are out there ( ), and to the Gnomes of Solms for this fantastic camera. Â Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted March 5, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Great pix Bill, glad to see I am not the only one staying with 1.091. By the way, what lens, ISO did you use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted March 5, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Bill I too tried Edmunds profile with 1.091 and I found that in some cases it oversaturates the color. Note that it did not completely remove the cyan tint as it is visible in the upper wall that I presume is actually white. You really need to do controlled tests where you first shoot a target scene with 1.09 and then repeat with 1.091 under the same controlled circumstances. I did last night and was surprised to see that 1.091 did not do as well as I first thought. YMMV but I would be interested to see what others find. I compared both JPGs and DNGs. I will be ahppy to post the full original files on my web site and provide a link to download so you can check for yourself. However, since I am not a pro, I would rather see what you professionals find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share #4 Â Posted March 5, 2007 I used 35 'lux asph on this one, at iso 640, 1/250, 486 filter, range focusing (about 20+ feet). Â Yes, the cyan is still there. I haven't worked on that or on the noise; just wanted to show how well the profile works. I'm ready to send the dough to Edmund. Â BTW, I shot 355 shots, with 3-sec review on, dng + hi-res jpg, 2-plus 2gb cards, and the battery is only down one segment (not that rough thirds are any measure of accuracy). Â I customarily use a monopod (not a stupid as I look) and as high a speed as I can. For movement, I prefer 1/250 as I'm willing to accept movement at this speed to make sense of the image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted March 5, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Bill: Â I have seen this saturation difference with other profiles provided for 1.091. I am not sure if it is a Mac PC thing or that there are two different versions of this firmware. Â Where did you get your 1.091 firmware? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share #6 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Here are a pair at 50, then at 35. I see light falloff in both because of the way the ceiling lights hit the walls, but haven't thot about vignetting or cyan-drift. Â It definitely looks like cyan in the upper-right corner in the 2nd shot with the 35. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share #7 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Bill:Â I have seen this saturation difference with other profiles provided for 1.091. I am not sure if it is a Mac PC thing or that there are two different versions of this firmware. Â Where did you get your 1.091 firmware? Â Robert, I got my copy for the Leica site while it was still available. I use windoze, C1, and these were done with a beta copy of Edmund's 1.091 profile. Â They may see a bit saturated, but the colors are as accurate as I can remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eronald Posted March 5, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Bill thanks for posting these images, they show off the character of the camera very nicely. Â I agree that the profiles are over-saturated, and I know why. However, I've stopped correcting the ovesaturation in the profiles for the moment, because I find it easier to deal with it by curves in either C1 or PS. Â My way of doing this is that I have a "style" like Portrasa that brings in the chosen profile, saturation and film curve in one click, applying to the image. The resulting file can then be exported to Photoshop. Â Re. the cyan cast, I'm afraid some of it is a lens effect and will need a firmware correction rather than a simple profile. There is a way to deal with it in C1 by means of a reference image, though. Â What is interesting is the way these images, although they are not tecnically perfect, show the "character" of the camera and lenses. Â Â Â Edmund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 5, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted March 5, 2007 I will try these also when I get back on my main machine, on location today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share #10  Posted March 5, 2007 . I have a "style" like Portrasa that brings in the chosen profile, saturation and film curve in one click, applying to the image. The resulting file can then be exported to Photoshop. Edmund  Edmund, since I am a novice to C1, using it only since the end of last year when this magical camera arrived, I ask how you tie all these together in C1.  Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eronald Posted March 5, 2007 Share #11  Posted March 5, 2007 Edmund, since I am a novice to C1, using it only since the end of last year when this magical camera arrived, I ask how you tie all these together in C1. Thanks.  Bill, At the moment I am only supporting Mac for the curves stuff. I am investigating different ways to do this. Saturation is easy to reduce in C1, just move the Sat slider in the exposure tab.  Edmund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share #12  Posted March 5, 2007 Bill, At the moment I am only supporting Mac for the curves stuff. I am investigating different ways to do this. Saturation is easy to reduce in C1, just move the Sat slider in the exposure tab.  Edmund  Yup, I can do that. I was anticipating that you had a silver bullet that set everything automatically from some setting.  General question to C1 users: I have a setting in the preferences to append "-Lin-1091" to the files I work with. It only seems to do the appending when I set the before processing each file. It used to keep the setting and always append it to the file name.  Is there some save setting I am missing?  Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhoelscher Posted March 5, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Â Re. the cyan cast, I'm afraid some of it is a lens effect and will need a firmware correction rather than a simple profile. There is a way to deal with it in C1 by means of a reference image, though. Â Â With the current version of C1 Pro, this is in a menu item that is ONLY available when processing files from Phase One backs. Â Rumor has it that the upcoming v4.0 of C1 Pro will have this item enabled for other cameras ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelc Posted March 6, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted March 6, 2007 nice work Bill...generous as always and it's reassuring to see how nicely you handled those moving images with the 50 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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