Product Watch: EOS-1D Mark III dSLR

[mwilliamsphotography]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

The thing I can't remember is wether certain R lenses I can't currently use on the 1DsMKII and 5D, CAN be used on the 1D cropped frame model.

 

I'm currently using some R glass on a 5D with those focus confirmation adapters. Pretty amazing to accurately use a R80/1.4 or 180/2.8 APO in low light @ ISO 1000, 1250, 1600 and even 3200. which is where the DMR falters.

 

I'm upgrading the Canon bag with the new 1DMKIII, but the 5D will now migrate to the Leica R bag as smaller back-up to the DMR for certain lenses in low light. I needed a DMR back-up, but didn't want to buy another DMR.

 

That's how this Canon stuff relates to Leica for my use. With a little help from my Prop Master the 5D now fits in with the pedigreed patrician R stuff without acquiring an inferiority complex ... LOL!

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

[Advertisement]

The Leica Q3 is available for pre-order at B&H Photo Video and Adorama

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Marc i think the 1d can handle almost all of them since the mirror is smaller for the crop camera. the 5d is the worst in this regards, so the only ones that maybe a issue with it are the two zooms the 35-70 2.8 and the 28-90. These two i believe stick out the most from the rear mount

[loretdem]

The thing I can't remember is wether certain R lenses I can't currently use on the 1DsMKII and 5D, CAN be used on the 1D cropped frame model.

 

I'm currently using some R glass on a 5D with those focus confirmation adapters. Pretty amazing to accurately use a R80/1.4 or 180/2.8 APO in low light @ ISO 1000, 1250, 1600 and even 3200. which is where the DMR falters.

 

I'm upgrading the Canon bag with the new 1DMKIII, but the 5D will now migrate to the Leica R bag as smaller back-up to the DMR for certain lenses in low light. I needed a DMR back-up, but didn't want to buy another DMR.

 

That's how this Canon stuff relates to Leica for my use. With a little help from my Prop Master the 5D now fits in with the pedigreed patrician R stuff without acquiring an inferiority complex ... LOL!

Good to see I am not the only one here considering how the new Mark3 Canon will affect or enhance the use of our R lenses. From a Leica point of view this thread was getting pretty dull.

 

I was never interested in the 5D. But the wireless and live view aspects of the Mark3 have grabbed my attention, along with potentially good quality high ISO speeds.

 

Your interests or needs may differ from mine, but I for one would love to read what your impressions of your Mark3 will be, particularly in regards to using your R glass. Looking forward to it.

 

-Carlos

[loretdem]

Marc i think the 1d can handle almost all of them since the mirror is smaller for the crop camera. the 5d is the worst in this regards, so the only ones that maybe a issue with it are the two zooms the 35-70 2.8 and the 28-90. These two i believe stick out the most from the rear mount

Guy, this is interesting information. Thank you. Don't get me wrong, I too consider the DMR the best there is and no Canon could ever take its place. I guess the fact that Leica is sold out of DMRs has got me concerned about what is next for the R system. Here's hoping that the next digital R absolutely rocks the house!

 

-Carlos

[rvaubel]

I'm trying to think of the last time I needed to shoot something at 6400 ISO, or the last time I needed a burst of 30 RAW files.

 

Personally, I'm getting tired of Nikon and Canon bringing out new models that try to seduce me into thinking what I now use is obsolete. I'm ignoring this stuff and the next time I buy a new model it will be to replace one that has broken down beyond repair.

 

Now then, why are we even talking about Canon cameras on the Leica forum???

 

One reason we are talking about this camera on the Leica forum is it validates Leicas choice of the 1.3X sensor. Most people were writing of the "H" sensor as dead as a dodo because it was supposedly a 5th wheel between the full frame and the 1.5X sensor. Actually I think the 1.3X sensor hits the "sweet spot" for the sports/wildlife crowd and also for the "street" photoghrapher AKA Leica user.

 

The full frames advantage is really only realized for extreme blowups or with tilt/shift and other more studio requirements.

 

The other thing that attracts the interest of the M8 user is the high ISO achievement. I would loooove to see a varient of the Canon MkIII sensor in the M9 !!

 

Fat chance, but it shows which way 1.3X sensor developement should go for the next M sensor

 

Rex

[deltoid1]

Bunch of new samples here.

 

Canon EOS-1D Mark III Digital Camera - Hands-On Preview

[Riley]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

check out the iso 6400 studio shot

its at least as good as the F30 at iso1600

 

say cheese

[mwilliamsphotography]

check out the iso 6400 studio shot

its at least as good as the F30 at iso1600

 

say cheese

 

What's a F30?

 

Anyway, I never evaluate quality from screen versions, because actual prints look better. So, I downloaded the ISO 6400 shot and printed it on a Epson 2400 @ 7X10 (which is the size I use most for wedding albums). It looks like ISO 400 from the DMR in terms of noise. Try it yourself.

 

Being able to shoot available light using fast R glass in darker venues with enough shutter speed to tame subject movement is the reason to be curious about ISO 6400 performance.

[Riley]

fuji F30

 

Steves Digicams - Fujifilm FinePix F30 - User Review

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

[macusque]

Anyway, I never evaluate quality from screen versions, because actual prints look better. So, I downloaded the ISO 6400 shot and printed it on a Epson 2400 @ 7X10 (which is the size I use most for wedding albums). It looks like ISO 400 from the DMR in terms of noise. Try it yourself.

 

I'm with you Marc, while IMO not as good as 400 ISO from the DMR, the 6400 ISO is impressive, especially the one with the noise reduction applied.

It's the first time I see a in-camera NR doing such a nice job, eliminating the chroma noise while keeping existing detail.

And 800 ISO in daylight is like 100 ISO with any other camera

 

The thing that doesn't impress me though is the sharpness at low ISOs. The images lack the fine detail a 10 Mp 1.3x sensor should give. It seems to have quite strong AA filter and it's absolutely no match for DMR and M8.

 

But this 1D3 is really the queen of high ISOs.

[marknorton]

As a die-hard Nikon fan, I have to admit it looks good and it will be interesting to see what's next from them.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

I do see value here for the Leica R lens holders, the biggest one would be some higher ISO work and the other is we all know how much it is a pain to use a R lens with a 5d but this has focusing on the live view. Now if I ASSUME this correctly say I have my 180 f2 and I am shooting portraits which i do all the time. My problem always has been with the 5d and this was you focus, than stop down and they move than your screwed because the went out of focus, very frustrating. But If my thinking is correct. Than i can use the 180 f2 here and it is already stopped down to f8 than i can fine tune on the back end with the live view and a focus confirmation adpter than it may solve this issue. Than of course it would have the advantage over the DMR at the higher ISOwhich is intriging. Now the downside forleicaR lens holders .It's big and only 10 mpx so we already would assume the DMR will give be file detail because of the non use of AA filter plus the need for 10 FPS would be a little overkill for most needs but still handy for the sports ventures. Now DMR and M8 users already have the 1.3 crop factor down so there is no issue there and probably prefered because the Canon wides are not so hot anyway but would be better on the crop camera's. It's almost a relief using the 1.3 crop because all those FF issues go bye bye.

 

Now what would have been better for the R users would be a 5d size with a crop factor of 1.3 ,16mpx to get some detail and resolution back that is lost in the AA filter like the 1dsMKII/DMR comparision if we all remember that. Than maybe only 5 FPS kind of camera. Okay they did not make this for R users so that is only a wish . But this camera does have certain advantages for a R lens users and users that own M8 for almost all there work. For the M8 user we lack 5fps or faster. macro work, shift and tilt and shift work, long work and ISO's over 1250.

 

From my personal needs have the two M8's and 15-90 glass than keep my R 180 F2, get a 100 macro or 60 macro. Keep my OLy 24mm shift lens and use adapter for Canon and than get a 90 TSE for product work. Than I have other options as well like a 300,400 lenses. What would hold me back is I have a DMR and file wise it is most certainly going to be better at the same 10 mpx and I feel I would not gain enough there. But of curse they did not make this for my needs only. But this is certainly a option to look at at least.

 

Other options wait for the R10 or just jump to MF and go with M8's and Hassy's. Tough call and really depends on what you shoot and need overall.

 

Sorry this was the 5 am mind wondering message.

[loretdem]

Your mind may be wandering but I like the way you're thinking.

-Carlos

[MarkM6]

Fortunately, I do not need 10 images per second... or 110 in a single run...I take my time to take pictures slowly, so there is no time left to choose the best one out these 110...

 

Wow, you can't be seriously believe that 10fps is for you to choose the best picture. Sounds like another stuck up Leica user talking down on non-Leica cameras.

[MarkM6]

One reason we are talking about this camera on the Leica forum is it validates Leicas choice of the 1.3X sensor.

 

No; it isn't! Leica doesn't make it's own sensor and Canon does.

[barjohn]

I find the sensor appears to be outstanding for low light based on the latest test images. I wouldn't mind having that sensor in an M body. Maybe Leica and Canon can team up for just the RF area since that would not compete directly with Canon on their DSLR market. At least with Canon, the CMOS sensor seems to be winning the war against CCD for low noise at high ISO.

[Riley]

No; it isn't! Leica doesn't make it's own sensor and Canon does.

 

that someone else makes a 1.3 crop strengthens his point

recall the people who were crying for a FF Leica

i dont see anyone of the asking that of this Canon

[Riley]

I find the sensor appears to be outstanding for low light based on the latest test images. I wouldn't mind having that sensor in an M body. Maybe Leica and Canon can team up for just the RF area since that would not compete directly with Canon on their DSLR market. At least with Canon, the CMOS sensor seems to be winning the war against CCD for low noise at high ISO.

 

to the contrary

while CMOS had a huge advantage to begin with they have been narrowed to 1 stop lead

most of the research is now on CCD, because thats what most cameras use

 

if dot for dot, fill factors were compared, the advantage canon hold, is not the virtue of the sensor, but the digic chip, and the software algorithm they use to smooth over noise, hence detailed files get turned into mush.

[robsteve]

IBut If my thinking is correct. Than i can use the 180 f2 here and it is already stopped down to f8 than i can fine tune on the back end with the live view and a focus confirmation adpter than it may solve this issue. .

 

If you are shooting portraits at F8 with strobes, a DMR with auto Aperture stop down is still the better bet. The 180mm at F2 is pretty obvious whether it is in focus or not. Focus then fire when shooting with the DMR. Focus, stop down , subject moves then fire, when shooting with the EOS. I would also bet the DMR at ISO 200 or ISO 100 will still create better images than the EOS at equivalent ISO.

[Advertisement]

Hallo,

Look here: Interesting Leica gear

[deltoid1]

to the contrary

while CMOS had a huge advantage to begin with they have been narrowed to 1 stop lead

most of the research is now on CCD, because thats what most cameras use

 

if dot for dot, fill factors were compared, the advantage canon hold, is not the virtue of the sensor, but the digic chip, and the software algorithm they use to smooth over noise, hence detailed files get turned into mush.

 

One stop? Did you look at the link I posted? ISO 6400 looks like M8 640!

 

Canon cmos's advantage has very little do to with fill-factors and much to do with the noise reduction circuity done on a per-pixel basis. In fact, there are three or four transistors on each pixel that subtract out noise. No mush there. Extremely high quality detailed high ISO. Ironically, cameras that use a CCD usually are the ones using mush generating noise reduction post ADC. Like the M8.