NZDavid Posted November 6, 2011 Share #41 Posted November 6, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Good quote! I forgot to add LCD is pretty useless in bright light outdoors; separate optical viewfinder is essential. Using existing M lenses makes sense, in which case Pana Lumix G, Oly, or Ricoh appear to be the main choices. Any others? The GF2 is good value at P+V right now. Trouble of course is focusing using LCD. Is there such a thing as a separate rangefinder you can clip onto the accessory shoe (use a double hotshoe attachment and you could add a viewfinder, too)? It would be sort of like turning an EVIL camera into the modern equivalent of a Leica I. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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algrove Posted November 6, 2011 Share #42 Posted November 6, 2011 Size, portability, ease of use, and cost all play a role when choosing but perhaps the most critical factor should be image quality. Figure when you might be using it and not the M9: for example, family snaps, parties, a rugged hike where you don't want to risk damaging thousands of dollars of gear. I have been very impressed with the D-Lux 5. IQ is excellent at lower ISOs. It also performs well indoors -- its LCD with live view is better than the M9's limited LCD. I would also be very interested in Leica's upcoming interchangeable lens compact camera, but that will probably be a year away. I am continually amazed at the very fine images our Panny LX5 puts out. The richness of the images is very impressive. We also use the EVF which truly helps in bright light situations. Also the shutter is nearly silent so candid shots are easily accomplished with this camera. Bought both items-- the LX5 + EVF for about US$525. I really could care if it has a Red Dot or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted November 6, 2011 Share #43 Posted November 6, 2011 I am continually amazed at the very fine images our Panny LX5 puts out. The richness of the images is very impressive. We also use the EVF which truly helps in bright light situations. Also the shutter is nearly silent so candid shots are easily accomplished with this camera. Bought both items-- the LX5 + EVF for about US$525. I really could care if it has a Red Dot or not. Yes, I think it rates extremely highly compared with other P&Ss. A term, btw, which is often used disparagingly -- unjustifiably so. Nothing wrong with being able to get a quick snap with minimum hassle. Red dot or not, the Leica designed lens is excellent -- 24 to 90 and f/2 to f/3.3 in a tiny package. Also, dynamic range for small sensors has improved tremendously in the last few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 6, 2011 Share #44 Posted November 6, 2011 I must also point to another Panny-The GF1 with pancake 20/1.7. I have been able to get many candid hip shots with this lens and even blown up quite a bit they seem to hold image sharpness quite well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest happytogger Posted November 7, 2011 Share #45 Posted November 7, 2011 Size, portability, ease of use, and cost all play a role when choosing but perhaps the most critical factor should be image quality. Figure when you might be using it and not the M9: for example, family snaps, parties, a rugged hike where you don't want to risk damaging thousands of dollars of gear. I have been very impressed with the D-Lux 5. IQ is excellent at lower ISOs. It also performs well indoors -- its LCD with live view is better than the M9's limited LCD. I would also be very interested in Leica's upcoming interchangeable lens compact camera, but that will probably be a year away. I am continually amazed at the very fine images our Panny LX5 puts out. The richness of the images is very impressive. We also use the EVF which truly helps in bright light situations. Also the shutter is nearly silent so candid shots are easily accomplished with this camera. Bought both items-- the LX5 + EVF for about US$525. I really could care if it has a Red Dot or not. Yes, I think it rates extremely highly compared with other P&Ss. A term, btw, which is often used disparagingly -- unjustifiably so. Nothing wrong with being able to get a quick snap with minimum hassle. Red dot or not, the Leica designed lens is excellent -- 24 to 90 and f/2 to f/3.3 in a tiny package. Also, dynamic range for small sensors has improved tremendously in the last few years. If these are the criterion for a M9 Companion (not backup eg Ricoh GX, Sony Nex) then Fuji X10 should be a first port of call. ... When i tested LX5 (DLux5) side by side with X10, im sorry to say LX5 felt cheap. As a companion to M9, X10 wth its all metal body bright sharp ovf (as bright sharp as M9 ovf & very useable at 85%) manual metal barrel zoom sharp 28-112mm f2-2.8 10fps dr high iso low noise natural rendering (some here have said LX5 photos look plastic & not as nice as LX3 rendering), accurate WB, rich colours, precise skin tones there is no digital compact released in the last ten years that comes close to a M9 companion as X10. ... Here is a X10 owners test photo F4 of garden http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6218/6311590583_d63c76f38f_b.jpg Car f2.8 http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6039/6311637071_e13fedaf3c_b.jpg : Indoor ice hockey match 10fps Zenfolio | sshawn | Fuji X10 Shoots Indoor Ice Hockey : night time 10:06 pm pak sha road photo - hugo poon photos at pbase.com "ipad age" photo - hugo poon photos at pbase.com "the shrine and a couple" photo - hugo poon photos at pbase.com my fav street & the "neon light skyscraper" photo - hugo poon photos at pbase.com "appeal or bewilderedness" photo - hugo poon photos at pbase.com : Street Pizza Man | Flickr - Photo Sharing! NYC daycare | Flickr - Photo Sharing! : B&W Pier Patterns | Flickr - Photo Sharing! http://outbackphoto.smugmug.com/Images2011/201111Nov/i-5cvgN22/0/O/DSCF0173ReflectionsBWSEPyLRE.jpg http://outbackphoto.smugmug.com/Images2011/201111Nov/i-DqGGV7D/0/O/DSCF0108RearEntranceBWSEPLRE.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kr@utg Posted November 7, 2011 Share #46 Posted November 7, 2011 The Oly E-PL3 has pixel size of 4.2 µm. The pixel size of a NEX7 is 3.9µm an Oly E_PL3 has 3.75 µm. The NEX5 has a size of 4.8 µm. The difference between the sensors of Oly and NEX7 is only 0.15 µm in favor of Sony. When we compare the surface of both, the m4/3 is 13 x 17,3 and Sony 7 is 15,7 x 23,7. We made in the past the experience that wide and ultra wides on the m4/3 deliver soft edges and certain casts, even the sensor is smaller compare to APS-C. For me it's clear that the NEX7 sensor might be very good with the best glass from the E-line but with wides and ultra wides with Leica M specifications this would be a waste of time and money. The Sony lens correction in the camera works only with Sony lenses, third party lenses are not electrically connected and there are no look up tables with correction datas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Holy Moly Posted November 7, 2011 Share #47 Posted November 7, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) From the (very good) french magazine, "Chasseur d'Images" the informations about the pixel size from Pentax Q up to Nikon FX 24x36, I read this pixel size fromt the E-PL3 and Lumix GF3 with 12 Mpix each. So this information isn't from my memory..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted November 7, 2011 Share #48 Posted November 7, 2011 If these are the criterion for a M9 Companion (not backup eg Ricoh GX, Sony Nex) then Fuji X10 should be a first port of call... Thanks for this, I didn't even now about the Fuji -- so many new models all the time! It looks very good indeed, but the 24mm-equiv of the D-Lux 5 is usefully wider compared with the 28mm-equiv of the X10, (That is 84º angle of view over 76º). An extra wideangle attachment would make the Fuji even better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 8, 2011 Share #49 Posted November 8, 2011 The GX1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBL Posted November 8, 2011 Share #50 Posted November 8, 2011 There is only ONE answer. Digilux 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 24, 2011 Share #51 Posted November 24, 2011 I picked up a NEX-5N yesterday. I'd have to say, I'm pretty happy. With a Novoflex M mount, it all seems to work very well. It's very small, and feels nice in the hand. I have tried my Summicron 35 and DIstagon 15, and both work very well. The focus peaking is very easy to use. I'd recommend it as a cheap alternative to an M9. Haven't tested the image quality yet - haven't been able to get out and take pictures. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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