truando Posted February 12, 2007 Share #1  Posted February 12, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I noticed a strange effect on some of my images, as if they were painted. You can see it when enlarged to 100%.  This is a uncropped file and a 100% crop.  It was converted in C1 with Jamie's profile and saved as a tiff file. the tiff file looks exactly like the one you see here, so it has nothing to with jpeg compression. I did not alter the file except for the usual stuff one does, with some mild sharpening.  did anyone experience the same effect with some of your photos??? is this normal? I never noticed this kind of texture with my Canon 1 Ds files.  I don't understand it.  Your help and comments would be appreciated. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/16054-strange-paint-effect-on-m8-files/?do=findComment&comment=169614'>More sharing options...
truando Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share #2  Posted February 12, 2007 here's another section of the picture Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/16054-strange-paint-effect-on-m8-files/?do=findComment&comment=169621'>More sharing options...
Riley Posted February 12, 2007 Share #3  Posted February 12, 2007 well Mr Christian (I always wanted to say that)  what exactly do you mean ? its converted from RAW right could be a tad over sharpened for my taste, although the crops are deep  its a glorious looking place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
l.ceva Posted February 12, 2007 Share #4  Posted February 12, 2007 During the conversion in C1 did You put the "noise suppression" cursor to the minimum?  I found a similar effect on my pictures when the noise suppression is active and for this reason I nevere use it.  Hope this helps.  Best regards  Lorenzo  LORENZO CEVA VALLA - fotografia digitale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted February 12, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted February 12, 2007 this looks to me like what happens when too much colour/noise/banding suppression is applied in C1 Pro and then too much sharpening applied to compensate. Â in otherwords, overprocessing. this shouldnt show in print, aside from a lack of micro detail when you compare side by side a print that has all the suppression set to minimal..... Â hope this helps. Â andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnelson Posted February 12, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted February 12, 2007 Fletcher... Â That is a grand photograph of the orchestra and the hall. Â I've been reading a coupld of Bruce Fraser's books on RAW and the other on sharpening, and the relationship between noise reduction and sharpening is deeper picture than I had believed before. I'm still tring to understand it all and blend what I know and read into practice. Â Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truando Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share #7 Â Posted February 12, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) thanks a lot, folks - this could be it! Â I had noise and banding suppression on, and I did 25% sharpening in C1, and later a bit more in PS, how much I can't remember. Â I'll change that at once. Â thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted February 12, 2007 Share #8  Posted February 12, 2007 oh i see what you mean now yes thats noise supression and the sharpening is too obvious  try sharpening in 2 stages or even on a top layer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnelson Posted February 12, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted February 12, 2007 Fletcher.. Â I meant to say that one thing I get from Bruce's books is that for printed purposes most often the image will appear to be oversharppened on the screen and that you have to calibrate the amount of sharpening from viewing the print at the size you expect to print the image. Only then will you know what the correct amount of sharpening will look like on your screen. Â Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truando Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share #10  Posted February 12, 2007 thanks Riley - and sorry for the fake name, you being from Australia are aware of that of course, I'm afraid I can't use my real name because of a stalker... (no joke)  And thanks Bill, I will check out that book - I'm definitively in need of some serious source of information.  Cheers  Fletcher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted February 12, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted February 12, 2007 its all good Fletch fabulous location Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted February 12, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted February 12, 2007 Fletcher, Â Please let us know how this turns out. I haven't seen anything like this yet either, and I also agree this looks like smoothing then sharpening. If anything, basic C1 converts are a little grainier than their ACR counterparts (and have more detail). Â BTW--what ISO is this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truando Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share #13  Posted February 12, 2007 well, actually I have more questions now.  what are the ideal settings in C1, then? all knobs to zero??  Sharpening - Disable Noise suppression - Minimum Banding suppression - Off  And then work on the file in PS?  any suggestions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted February 12, 2007 Share #14  Posted February 12, 2007 check this link out  http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/9637-new-m8-profiles-c1-instructions.html  there have been a few changes, so be sure to read it all  cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_r_smith Posted February 12, 2007 Share #15  Posted February 12, 2007 Fletch  when I work on RAW files, I make sure that the conversion program (whichever one I use) does nothing more than correct the white balance and then saves it out as a TIFF. All further work on the image takes place in PS or Corel or your software of choice. Most RAW converters are just too basic for any kind of serious image editing.  John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truando Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share #16  Posted February 12, 2007 ok, so that's the same file with no processing whatsoever - quite different!  I'm so relived, thanks, folks...  Technical info:  Voigtländer 15mm @ f8 160 ISO, 1/4 second RAW converted to TIFF in C1 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/16054-strange-paint-effect-on-m8-files/?do=findComment&comment=169711'>More sharing options...
Peter41951 Posted February 12, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted February 12, 2007 It looks like a recording session - which hall is it? It looks like a beautiful building. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truando Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share #18 Â Posted February 12, 2007 This the "Victoria Hall" in Geneva, the orchestra is the "Orchestre de la Suisse Romande", it was a rehearsal for the next day concert and I was the pianist. Â cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted February 12, 2007 Share #19 Â Posted February 12, 2007 Great shot! I'm glad to hear this worked out for you too (I hate processing mysteries!). Speaking of mysteries, I like your moniker, too (though usually frown on pseudonyms ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truando Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share #20 Â Posted February 12, 2007 yeah, thanks jamie - especially for your great profiles that I have been using all the time now. you really helped us all here! Â RE processing: so many applications with settings that add up - C1 - PS - dedicated plugins - Aperture ...all with their own sharping tools, it's really confusing, especially when you have a new camera, and you have to start from scratch again. Once you've worked it out it's fine but until then... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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