Agent M10 Posted August 24, 2011 Share #1 Posted August 24, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I opened a thread about swapping an old Noctilux for an M9. I decided against that. But I'd like to hear some thoughts of swapping an old Noctilux and a 50mm Summilux Asph for a .95. Isn't the .95 optically comparable to the Summilux? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ramosa Posted August 25, 2011 Share #2 Posted August 25, 2011 I have read that the new Nocti has a rendering similar to the Lux asph (at 1.4 and above). The question is whether you would mind toting around a big Nocti all the time. Your current two 50s give you a big one with gorgeous rendering (the old Nocti) and the best all-around--and much smaller--50 (the Lux). That seems like a set up that'd be hard to beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 25, 2011 Share #3 Posted August 25, 2011 Everything I've read (particularly Mr Puts) suggests that the 0.95 Noct performs as well from f/2 to f/16 as the 50mm Summilux Asph. I'm assuming that if (when) I get a 0.95 Noct, it will effectively replace the Summilux (I won't be rushing off to test that theory in a hurry - I'll keep the Summilux until I am absolutely sure). There have been a number of suggestions that the Noct is better as a single lens than the Summilux (I think either Thorsten Overgaard, or Steve Huff made this comment - perhaps both). To me, that is feasible - it's heavier, and bigger than the Summilux, and has a longer focus throw, but it is still smaller and easier to use than any of the Nikkor lenses I used to use. I seem to also recall comments in other threads that the Noct is a one trick pony and really only useful in low light. If the comments about comparable performance with the Summilux are correct, this can't be right. Surely, you can use the Noct stopped down to any f stop the light requires, or use ND filters if you prefer. I'm completely over images showing nothing more than a shallow depth of field and swooning over blurry background lights. Sure, use the speed of the lens, and use it wide open if the composition requires. But to say that a lens should only be used wide open without ND filters, and therefore in low light seems a bit daft. If I'm going to cough up that much for a lens, I'll want to use it a lot, in all light conditions, and it better be pretty special. I understand it is. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted August 25, 2011 Your current two 50s give you a big one with gorgeous rendering (the old Nocti) and the best all-around--and much smaller--50 (the Lux). That seems like a set up that'd be hard to beat. The problem with two 50s is that they are two 50s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photoart Posted August 25, 2011 Share #5 Posted August 25, 2011 I opened a thread about swapping an old Noctilux for an M9. I decided against that. But I'd like to hear some thoughts of swapping an old Noctilux and a 50mm Summilux Asph for a .95. Isn't the .95 optically comparable to the Summilux? Absolutely! If the overall size and weight is no problem for you, the noctilux is the best choice. Based on the design size, the focussing with the noctilux is much easier, comfortable and more accurate than with the summilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmark Posted August 25, 2011 Share #6 Posted August 25, 2011 I did that. Replaced old Nocti and Lux 50 with new Noctilux. I do not want any other 50mm lens, Nocti can really replace these two. Having only one lens gives you opportunity to utilize all the best from it. Believe, it's very rewarding lens. Even dough I'm 50mm person, when weight and size of Nocti creates problems I use 35 lux, sometimes even 35 Perar (M9 with it fits in jacket pocket). Go for it, you wont regret. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbonthemoon Posted August 25, 2011 Share #7 Posted August 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Being a 50 person, I wouldn't want to have Noctilux as my only 50 lens. It's like owning Ferrari as only car for daily usage. Too heavy and uncomfy, you will just give it up taking it with you. It should be 2nd or even 3rd 50'' for special occasions. Go for lux, it's spectacular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmond_terakopian Posted August 25, 2011 Share #8 Posted August 25, 2011 My approach was to have the f0.95 Noctilux as my only lens. It's a superb lens, pin sharp and with great tonal range; it's a perfect all rounder. You soon get used to it's size and weight. Problem with having two 50s is that you either always carry them both or you leave the wrong one at home! Having said this, I do have a second 50; a collapsible Elmar-M which I only use when travelling ultra light and want my M9 with me instead of my X1.. Since getting the Noctilux, it's rarely been off my camera! If you'd like some further reading, check the BJP or my blog for my full review. Cheers, Edmond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minks73 Posted August 25, 2011 Share #9 Posted August 25, 2011 I am of the opinion that Nocti is too heavy and big to be one's only 50mm. My Summilux 50mm has also yet to disappoint me in low-light situations although it is short a stop compared to the Nocti. I feel that Summilux is so much more versatile because of its size and weight compared to the Nocti. Spectacular lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share #10 Posted August 25, 2011 Okay. Decided that I'll go for the 0.95. Question is, what is the value of an E60 Noctilux 1.0 these days? I could only find two and they are $5k apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stanjan0 Posted August 26, 2011 Share #11 Posted August 26, 2011 As to the remarks of some previous posts here I don't think the Nocti is too heavy, while its heavier than most Leica lens its not so compared to many Nikon, SLR. I guess I don't mind the weight as I formerly used a Nikon D3 with various lens and thats the main reason I bought my first M9 with several Leica lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted August 26, 2011 Share #12 Posted August 26, 2011 I have read that the new Nocti has a rendering similar to the Lux asph (at 1.4 and above). The question is whether you would mind toting around a big Nocti all the time. Your current two 50s give you a big one with gorgeous rendering (the old Nocti) and the best all-around--and much smaller--50 (the Lux). That seems like a set up that'd be hard to beat. This is my only real concern...... I hardly ever take my 90/2 with me for this very reason....... I'm progessively finding I am forsaking the extra stop or two for light weight and compactness. I can see myself eventually rationalising down to WATE, MATE and 90/4 Macro...... possibly with 50/1.4 for low light..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_w Posted August 26, 2011 Share #13 Posted August 26, 2011 I sold my 0,95 to keep the SLX ASPH and the old Nocti (and some other 50 mm). The reason for me was the purple fringing wide open so that I mostly used it at 1,2. Also, imho the SLX is better at 1,4 and 2.0. When you add the size and weight (and price) argument, the 0,95 is hard to justify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted August 26, 2011 Stephan, Was the fringing really that much of a problem? I noticed it on Thorsten's site, but thought it only came up in extreme backlighting situations (5% of the time or less, depending upon your shooting style). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted August 26, 2011 Share #15 Posted August 26, 2011 I sold my 0,95 to keep the SLX ASPH and the old Nocti (and some other 50 mm). The reason for me was the purple fringing wide open so that I mostly used it at 1,2. Also, imho the SLX is better at 1,4 and 2.0. When you add the size and weight (and price) argument, the 0,95 is hard to justify. I'd agree with that - although the old Nocti also suffers from strong purple fringing. IMO, the main argument in favour of keeping the f/1.0 is its rendering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 26, 2011 Share #16 Posted August 26, 2011 The only reason I do not have a Noctilux .95 is that it costs more than I owe on my house! That's the metric I use for financial comparisons. Crazy, eh? Oh - just sold my '72 VW Beetle 10 minutes ago. Two more to go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicanet Posted August 26, 2011 Share #17 Posted August 26, 2011 Okay. Decided that I'll go for the 0.95. Question is, what is the value of an E60 Noctilux 1.0 these days? I could only find two and they are $5k apart. Looking at eBay "asking prices", it appears that version 4 (11822, built-in lens hood) is reaching/even overtaking the £5K mark (that is 5000 GBP...!!!), while the previous versions are not far behind (£4k+). And, of course, I am talking second hand lenses... What's going on, this is crazy too, isn'it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted August 26, 2011 Share #18 Posted August 26, 2011 The only reason I do not have a Noctilux .95 is that it costs more than I owe on my house! That's the metric I use for financial comparisons. Crazy, eh? Oh - just sold my '72 VW Beetle 10 minutes ago. Two more to go! So one day, when you've paid off the mortgage, you won't be able to buy anything! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted August 26, 2011 Share #19 Posted August 26, 2011 Looking at eBay "asking prices", it appears that version 4 (11822, built-in lens hood) is reaching/even overtaking the £5K mark (that is 5000 GBP...!!!), while the previous versions are not far behind (£4k+).And, of course, I am talking second hand lenses... What's going on, this is crazy too, isn'it? Some people* prefer the look of the f.1 - and as a discontinued lens, there's a finite supply. *(me, for instance) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbonthemoon Posted August 26, 2011 Share #20 Posted August 26, 2011 Looking at eBay "asking prices", it appears that version 4 (11822, built-in lens hood) is reaching/even overtaking the £5K mark (that is 5000 GBP...!!!), while the previous versions are not far behind (£4k+).And, of course, I am talking second hand lenses... What's going on, this is crazy too, isn'it? You need to check completed listings, not the asking prices. This brilliant example got sold for $7k(around £4k) two weeks ago eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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