POKO Posted February 10, 2007 Share #1 Posted February 10, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) OK, who is looking after Leica's quality control???? I just received my second M8 with the exact same defect as the first one - a stripe through the image. Is anyone actually looking after their quality control? This is quite simple sad and pathetic. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/15828-my-replacement-m8-arrived-also-defective/?do=findComment&comment=167127'>More sharing options...
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MarcRochkind Posted February 10, 2007 Share #2 Posted February 10, 2007 I'm assuming you see this in raw and in JPEG, and also on the LCD, right? If so, it's ridiculously horrible... --Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted February 10, 2007 Share #3 Posted February 10, 2007 If Leica knows who you are, Per ... perhaps they'll pay more attention before they send you another camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trs Posted February 10, 2007 Share #4 Posted February 10, 2007 Did the same QA person signed that little piece of paper? I am just wondering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted February 10, 2007 Share #5 Posted February 10, 2007 Per-- It's maybe a whole batch or something? I haven't seen that particular problem yet. Does it occur on every shot regardless of ISO, etc..? I'm just wondering. I would be returning it to the dealer if mine did that. Perhaps you got two of the first batch cameras, which had known hardware problems (and are being fixed by Solms). What firmware level is on it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted February 10, 2007 Share #6 Posted February 10, 2007 Per - are you processing in C1 or ACR. I had a similar banding problem through ACR - disappeared in C1. Interested to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted February 10, 2007 Share #7 Posted February 10, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) The camera has changed (presumably, they haven't sent you the old one back by mistake) but you need to make sure it's not your processing of the image which is to blame. Try JPEG Fine without any messing about with it (if you are not doing so already) - if there's a sensor issue, it will show up there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 10, 2007 Share #8 Posted February 10, 2007 Per - are you processing in C1 or ACR. I had a similar banding problem through ACR - disappeared in C1. Interested to know. even if there is a processing issue, there would not be a smile on my face being resticted to a particular post processor. Last week I ran some m8 files through just about every application around for demonstration purposes, never met this beast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Roggen Posted February 10, 2007 Share #9 Posted February 10, 2007 Maybe you could post one of your raw files, so we can see if the problem persists and rule out the possibility that the problem is in your software instead of your camera. Hans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayerische Posted February 10, 2007 Share #10 Posted February 10, 2007 Dead row of pixels. -Again. It's sad that Leica has sutch poor quality control with the M8. Just imagine if there was another brand equal to Leica with it's "digital rangefinder on the market". Say as Nikon and Canon are rivals. Lucky for Leica there is only one alternative in RF digital photography... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
POKO Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share #11 Posted February 10, 2007 Did more testing... reinstalled the Firmware. Tried different batteries and cards Tested every lens I have at every ISO The stripe is there in every image image except for the ones shot at 2500 ISO Doesn't matter if the file is a fine/basic JPG or a TIFF from a DNG processed through C1Pro (V3.7.5). Wow, I can not tell you how @%!&^?X* upset I am about this. Talk about loosing confidence in a camera system that I have been using for almost 25yrs. Whoever “J. Bach” is didn’t do their job properly, nor did the people in Jersey as they should have tested the camera thoroughly before sending a replacement camera out to a customer Two for two on the DOA - impressively bad. Very, very disappointed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted February 10, 2007 Share #12 Posted February 10, 2007 I think you can also point the finger of blame in the direction of Rochester, NY. Kodak shouldn't be allowing sensors like this out. Is the defect in the same position? Are you sure they haven't sent you the old camera back by mistake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
POKO Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted February 10, 2007 Not the same camera. This stripe is also different in nature than the last one. This one does not show up when a black exposure is done, the previous one did as a bright white stripe. Also, it is not in the same position as the last one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
strick Posted February 10, 2007 Share #14 Posted February 10, 2007 Also, it is not in the same position as the last one. Maybe this is their idea of "progress" This is a bad story. Hope it will end well. Best, Greg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted February 10, 2007 Share #15 Posted February 10, 2007 what is the serial number on this particular camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted February 10, 2007 Share #16 Posted February 10, 2007 Well then, I think you've been extremely unlucky. Both my M8s have been perfect apart of course from the banding/ghosting on the first production. Leica still have lots to learn about QA and digital imaging. So do Kodak by the looks of things. Hope it will prove a case of "third time lucky" for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
POKO Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share #17 Posted February 10, 2007 Ser # 3106390 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted February 10, 2007 Share #18 Posted February 10, 2007 Ser # 3106390 this is definitely a batch 2 'revised' camera. i have had 3 black M8s so to say. first one was 31054XX but the viewfinder framelines were stuck on 35/24mm. second camera was 31068XX but when i went to pick it up at my dealer i thoughly checked it out and the RF was out. He had a chrome M8 but I checked it also and the RF was also out (but ever so slightly). really wanting to walk out with a Black M8 my dealer only had an Ex Demo black M8 left which apparently was a Batch 1 camera that probably had been returned by a previous customer for the sensor upgrade etc but switched for a new one instead of waiting for it to be returned from solms. So the camera I now have is a revised camera from the first batch with a 31043XX serial number. i havent had a chance to test fully but the RF is dead on, framelines work, continous shooting works (another customer returned his M8 to my dealer as the continous shooting function didnt work). I'm hoping the sensor in my upgraded 'ex demo' M8 is ok. sorry to here about your frustrations - i think your's might be an isolated sensor defect otherwise we'd vbe hearing it from lots of other people if its a bad batch of sensors fitted. hope you get it swapped out ASAP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englander Posted February 10, 2007 Share #19 Posted February 10, 2007 I know this has been asked many times, but I am not certain it has been answered either anecdotally or officially: at what serial number did the "revised" batch start? or, at what number did the version 1's end? Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted February 10, 2007 Share #20 Posted February 10, 2007 I know this has been asked many times, but I am not certain it has been answered either anecdotally or officially: at what serial number did the "revised" batch start? or, at what number did the version 1's end? Joe That is really hard to tell. I got my chrome M8 about 3+ weeks ago and it has 3100977 as the serial #. Now most will say that it is from the first production run and it has been updated (which it has as far as I can tell because it has the 1.09 firmware). But then I have seen others that had the M8 early with serials of 310XXXX. Which would put it way past mine in a production run. Mine has none of the flaws that others are reporting. No hangs, all functions work as they are supposed to, no problems with it dying unexpectedly (battery gage seems to be OK). The only problem I have ever had was with one image, actually 2 images of the same subject shot with in second of one another with a very strong side light facing the camera, I had some green blob banding starting at the light, left hand side of the image, and going to the right. From the light source to the left there was no banding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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