Stan Raucher Posted February 6, 2007 Share #1 Posted February 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone used an Epson P-5000 Storage Viewer to store and view dng files from the M8? The Epson site says dng files from some cameras are not supported. Thanks, Stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MP3 Posted February 6, 2007 Share #2 Posted February 6, 2007 I've tried to view the DNGs shot with my M8 through the P5000 in a dealer shop just last week. I shot with a Panasonic SD, view it on my M8 LCD, it displayed fine. Then remove it from my M8 and insert to the EPSON, the P5000 display shown that the image format cannot be displayed. That's my experience, though I read from EPSON's site that P5000 shall 'support' RAW/DNG viewing and I really hope I'll work out in near future. Best Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richedg Posted February 6, 2007 Share #3 Posted February 6, 2007 I recently got a P-5000 and tried loading my M8 files. It could not display them. it could display my Canon raw files but it only allows you to look at the embedded preview. Hopefully Epson will update the capabilities of the 5000 soon. My worry is that I understand that the M8 DNG does not have an embedded preview so there may be nothing to display. It may be unlikely that the P-500 will ever be able to decode raw data. It probabally does not have the processing power. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macusque Posted February 6, 2007 Share #4 Posted February 6, 2007 I use a P-3000 (same as P-5000 but smaller hard-drive). The only way to view images from the M8 is to shoot in DNG+Jpeg and use the Jpegs as reference (browsing and zooming). This is even worse with the DMR, because it can't shoot DNG+Jpeg, only DNG or Jpeg or Tiff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xxl-user Posted February 6, 2007 Share #5 Posted February 6, 2007 isn´t it ridicolous that leica call´s dng an universal file-format? those storage viewers can display the raw-files of almost any digital-camera on the market, but not the universal dng´s! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted February 6, 2007 Share #6 Posted February 6, 2007 Call me cynical, but what incentive does Epson have to support the file format of the only camera that competes with it's R-D1 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted February 6, 2007 Share #7 Posted February 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... My worry is that I understand that the M8 DNG does not have an embedded preview so there may be nothing to display... The M8 DNG actually has a JPEG thumbnail embedded in it. Though you know, in the world digital photography, Leica is a minority niche, let alone Epson will choose to support its R-D1 competitor. Best Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted February 6, 2007 Share #8 Posted February 6, 2007 Epson made a simple business decision not to support all RAW/DNG formats... period. I have one for my DMRs. You cannot see your DNG file but the Epson stores it safely and downloads it perfectly into your PC/MAc where you can visualize. I usually shot a first shot as a jPeg and this serves as a header for my files. An annoyance but at least the Epson is smaller and lighter than a pc! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted February 7, 2007 Share #9 Posted February 7, 2007 This is all fixable via firmware updates ---- hopefully they will be coming ......i have been wating for the firmware V 1.3 for the DMR ....well i forget how long ..but a long long time.... maybe leica can;t play in this game... beautiful lenses.... beautiful camera...beuatiful hardware...... but no ability to maintain the software... the chain is only as strong as the weakes link...and the software link is WEAK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigrmurray Posted February 9, 2007 Share #10 Posted February 9, 2007 Last spring when I bought my P2000, I knew that one couldn't view a RAW file from my DMR (it will store them just fine), and that it is a firmware problem, since I can view RAW files from my Canon 5D. I e-mailed Epson about the possibilty of their support DNG in their next firmware upgrade, and got this canned reply: Thank you for contacting the Epson Connection. At this point we have not yet tested your digital camera with the Epson P-2000 photo viewer. You will be able to download and store the RAW files on the P-2000, but we cannot, at this time guarantee that you will be able to use the P-2000 to view the RAW files. If you continue to check our website for updates, we will have information available when the P-2000 has been tested with this and other new cameras. Any firmware updates for the P-2000 will be posted on our website at the following location: 1) Go to Epson - Exceed Your Vision and click on USA. 2) Click on DRIVERS AND SUPPORT and then select DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY and then MULTIMEDIA AND PHOTO STORAGE VIEWERS. 3) Select the P-2000 and then WINDOWS under DRIVERS AND DOWNLOADS If you require further assistance with this particular issue, please ensure all of our previous correspondence is contained in your reply, so we can better track the history of this issue. If you have a different issue, please submit another E-form via our website (http://www.epson.com), and we will respond in a timely manner. Thank you again for contacting Epson. Rica C Epson Connection BTW, xxl-user, it was Adobe that invented and has promoted the DNG format as "universal", not Leica. Hasselblad also uses the format. IMO, Adobe's idea was a good one, ie. attempting to standardize on a RAW format instead of having every camera manufacturer out there having its own, considering that Adobe has, by far, the most users of its imaging software. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
donquixote Posted March 8, 2007 Share #11 Posted March 8, 2007 Epson P-2000 and Leica M8 DNG files: I submitted the following problem to Epson Tech support last week: "I have P-2000 (Model G941A, S/N: GKR0011953) w Firmware 02.51 upgraded in stages through 02.04. I use 2GB Lexar SD cards in my Leica M8. Before the firmware upgrade P-2000 told me the full 2GB Lexar card contained no data. The files are in Adobe's "universal" DNG format used by Leica for "RAW" capture. Now I appear to be able to transfer the DNG files to P-2000 but I can not view the images on P-2000. The transfer from the card to P-2000 appears to be intact because when I connect P-2000 to G5 (OSX 10.4.4) after the transfer, I can open the P-2000 file on my desk top, open the Cards folder, open the folder with the Leica DNG files, drag and drop them to G5, and then open and view them with an Adobe program on G5. However, P-2000 will not let me view the Leica M8 DNG files from the 2GB Lexar SD card. Please Help." Epson wrote back, indicating they know less about this than I do: "Thank you for contacting the Epson Connection. Unfortunately, the Epson image viewers will not store and display Leica .dng raw files from the Leica M8 and there are no plans of any new firmware for the P-2000 to store and display Leica .dng raw files." Bottom Line: P-2000 with firmware 02.51 properly installed will store the M8 DNG files but they can not be viewed with it. I wrote back that I thought they should be ashamed! aloha, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted March 8, 2007 Share #12 Posted March 8, 2007 I have the Epson p4000 and it will not support Leica dng. Neither will the 5000.... It is not in Epson's interest to do this as so few cameras use dng as of now... Furthermore, Epson's maximum memory per card download is 2GB. I have asked them when they will upgrade to 4 or 8 Gb and they have no clue. It still is a marvelous machine and worth it. I would use RAW+JPEG as previously described for the M8 but for the R9DMR, I always take a header first shot in JPEG and then everything else in RAW... HOW ONE SUFFERS FOR LEICA :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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