dilemma!! m9p or a rolex submariner....

[Valkyrie]

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Get the submariner. I've had mine for 34 years and it looks as good today as the day I bought it. And it's worth 20 times my original purchase price (ignoring inflation of course). You won't be able to say that about any digital camera. Most people don't recognize it as an expensive watch and it's practically indestructible. You never have to worry about it getting wet and it cleans up with a bar of soap and running water. Yes, you will need to get it overhauled, but only every ten years or so; that's the price you pay for a mechanical watch.

[bentarrow]

Yeah, I am leaning more towards the submariner. Thanks!

 

Get the submariner. I've had mine for 34 years and it looks as good today as the day I bought it. And it's worth 20 times my original purchase price (ignoring inflation of course). You won't be able to say that about any digital camera. Most people don't recognize it as an expensive watch and it's practically indestructible. You never have to worry about it getting wet and it cleans up with a bar of soap and running water. Yes, you will need to get it overhauled, but only every ten years or so; that's the price you pay for a mechanical watch.

[hx911]

Yeah, I am leaning more towards the submariner. Thanks!

 

As you have the M8 already - it may make sense.

You did not tell us though how many rolexes and other great mechanical watches you have already

 

but that non of my business ....

[menos I M6]

@bentarrow

 

I have just made a very fresh experience, adding a new M9 to the M8.2, I used as a daily shooter.

 

I am not a wide shooter, so this benefit from the bigger M9 sensor doesn't count for me.

I like the smooth, cold feeling finish of the M8.2 better than the matte, slightly warmer feeling finish of the M9 (which in actuality makes more practical sense, being also more tough regarding wear).

I like the M8.2 unscratchable screen.

 

But these are all niggles. One thing, that really sold me to paying full M9 price for just this one feature is, how very much better the M9 files look above ISO640.

 

This is a real thing for me, as I shoot mostly in low light (I mean fast lenses + ISO above 640 regularly), excusing fully for just paying for an M9 only for this feature.

I have long resisted (actually wanted to buy an M9 instead of the M8.2 2 years ago, but back then dealers have had jacked up prices to ridiculous heights, where I simply refused, to play that game).

 

If high ISO above 640 and especially above 1250 is important to you and if you even like to shoot wide or replicate fov with your M6, than make sure, to get a M9 or whatever model with this sensor will be available to you. Don't wait for the next M to appear, even if it is just half a year ahead. You will love the M9 files.

 

The Submariner makes indeed financially sense in a similar order than Leica lenses (this is, what many people don't get, when talking Rolex watches with this still persistent gaudy image, their owners are connected with in times).

 

If a watch that simply works the time and looses no value, when properly treated and maintained is for you, get one, if you can - they won't get any cheaper, same as Leica lenses.

 

If a nicer watch with more interesting features (not necessarily functions, but beauty features as visible mechanics with beautifully in house made works) is for you, get a Panerai or any other, you can afford (I am personally fond of the Panerai Radiomir Black Seal, although Panerai introduces beautifully made in house driven new models every year).

 

The M9 will loose value naturally, but will surely satisfy with quality. The Submariner will be like the Leica glass, you use, although it will not be able, to help you with photography (which would be more important to me, personally).

[Marty]

M9P and the Leica watch. If only the best will do.

 

[markgay]

Please moderators, open a watch category. There is clearly demand.

 

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[michaelctk]

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get rolex milgauss also not bad..

[Steve Ash]

Please moderators, open a watch category. There is clearly demand.

 

(Omega Seamaster 120 Digital Chronograph Alarm 1665 - the stealthy journalist option)

 

 

But place it in the film forum. Too many will say that watches are dead as every mobile gives you the time aswell.

 

Steve

[pico]

I currently have m8,m6 and 28mm cron asph. What would you do in my shoes? Buy a new watch or buy an m9p?!?!?

 

I'd probably buy new shoes.

 

Forget the watch. I wore a Rolex watch once and did not have a better time.

 

An M9 seems reasonable.

[bentarrow]

Congrats! I have been holding out on m9 for the longest time as I have been shooting with m6. I still prefer film over digital as putting in a fresh organic roll of film into a mechanical body is somewhat nostalgic for me. I like the act of cocking the shutter. I still think they dropped the ball with this new M9P as I was hoping they would get rid of the motorized shutter and go back to how it used to be. But then again, that means a new design so I can understand why they went the way they did.

 

@bentarrow

 

I have just made a very fresh experience, adding a new M9 to the M8.2, I used as a daily shooter.

 

I am not a wide shooter, so this benefit from the bigger M9 sensor doesn't count for me.

I like the smooth, cold feeling finish of the M8.2 better than the matte, slightly warmer feeling finish of the M9 (which in actuality makes more practical sense, being also more tough regarding wear).

I like the M8.2 unscratchable screen.

 

But these are all niggles. One thing, that really sold me to paying full M9 price for just this one feature is, how very much better the M9 files look above ISO640.

 

This is a real thing for me, as I shoot mostly in low light (I mean fast lenses + ISO above 640 regularly), excusing fully for just paying for an M9 only for this feature.

I have long resisted (actually wanted to buy an M9 instead of the M8.2 2 years ago, but back then dealers have had jacked up prices to ridiculous heights, where I simply refused, to play that game).

 

If high ISO above 640 and especially above 1250 is important to you and if you even like to shoot wide or replicate fov with your M6, than make sure, to get a M9 or whatever model with this sensor will be available to you. Don't wait for the next M to appear, even if it is just half a year ahead. You will love the M9 files.

 

The Submariner makes indeed financially sense in a similar order than Leica lenses (this is, what many people don't get, when talking Rolex watches with this still persistent gaudy image, their owners are connected with in times).

 

If a watch that simply works the time and looses no value, when properly treated and maintained is for you, get one, if you can - they won't get any cheaper, same as Leica lenses.

 

If a nicer watch with more interesting features (not necessarily functions, but beauty features as visible mechanics with beautifully in house made works) is for you, get a Panerai or any other, you can afford (I am personally fond of the Panerai Radiomir Black Seal, although Panerai introduces beautifully made in house driven new models every year).

 

The M9 will loose value naturally, but will surely satisfy with quality. The Submariner will be like the Leica glass, you use, although it will not be able, to help you with photography (which would be more important to me, personally).

[menos I M6]

Congrats! I have been holding out on m9 for the longest time as I have been shooting with m6. I still prefer film over digital as putting in a fresh organic roll of film into a mechanical body is somewhat nostalgic for me. I like the act of cocking the shutter. I still think they dropped the ball with this new M9P as I was hoping they would get rid of the motorized shutter and go back to how it used to be. But then again, that means a new design so I can understand why they went the way they did.

 

+1 @ 100%

 

I really loved that shooting rhythm, one had this way, when using the EPSON R-D1.

The shutter cocking lever had a rather short throw and weak feel to it though, which didn't pair well with Leica film bodies, but it indeed came a lot closer in feeling natural.

 

I suppose, Leica will never go back to this (for some nostalgic, for others more mechanically simple and photography focussed) design.

 

After all, including a fully automatic motor drive into a small package rangefinder body is supposed, to be a technical advancement after all.

 

A cloth shutter based, fully mechanical advanced digital M with slimmer body, less LCD and even more focussed controls (no 360º shutter speed dial with crammed speeds, additional separate ISO selector dial, …) would be very, very appealing to me ;-)

 

From your writing, I think, you are surely a mechanical watch guy ;-)

If you don't have one already, the Sub will serve you well as such, while retaining value, while others, I mentioned will have a nicer appeal as a mechanical watch (I love nice, simple and not overdone - Breitling watches for example makes me dizzy - watches with hand wound mechanics, little functions and sapphire bottoms).

 

Btw, there are other much more affordable (but not value retaining ) options in nice mechanical watches, which could pair well with the "get both - M9 and watch plan".

 

What about a German Sinn watch for half the purchase cost of a Submariner (but steep loss of value, similar to a M9) + a nice pre owned M9, as offered here on the forum classifieds with rest warranty, to sort out any potential manufacturing issues?

 

I surely would not have minded, to save 500 − 1000 EUR by buying a one year old amateur used M9.

After all, I am extremely satisfied with the pre owned M8.2, I use now more than a year without any issues.

 

A pre owned Sub is another option, but personally a lot more difficult, to judge, regarding mechanics, condition and pricing and not that much less costly than a new sample (except, one is going for certain reason after a classic model).

 

When I was seeking info and opinion on watches, I have been searching around one of the big watch internet forums - a lot of advice and opinions there - it's a whole new interesting world, in my opinion to vast, to include a sub forum on LUF for.

[Archiver]

Depends on which Submariner you get. The current iteration of the Sub Date has a larger case, bigger hour markers and a thicker bracelet and clasp than the previous version which was for sale until the last couple of years. You can still get a mint previous version Sub for a decent price compared with the latest version, and it is lighter, too. After some time you'll hardly know you're wearing it, especially if you have worn heavier watches in the past.

 

The vintage Rolex market is lots of fun, but there are a LOT of fakes and you need to go to a reputable secondhand dealer who authenticates their watches, either with Rolex or their in-house expert, and is prepared to stand behind their authenticity.

 

Also, the 5513 model (Roger Moore James Bond era) has hour markers in painted tritium. Tritium paint is mildly radioactive and would have decayed to the point that it is yellowy-brown and no longer luminous, so if reading your watch at night is important to you, then I'd go for a newer model. Get something made in the last ten years and you'll be fine.

 

Like a Leica, you'll pay more for a secondhand Rolex with box and papers, compared with without. And also like a mechanical Leica, a Sub will still be working 20 years from now, as long as it gets regular use and a CLA from time to time. And it will retain value, too, unlike many other brands that devalue massively over the years.

 

We still don't know what the M9P is going to be like, so sit it out for a while longer and find out if it floats your boat. Like menos, I would LOOOOVE a M9 with slim body, manual shutter advance and cloth shutter. What a dream that would be; but it is highly doubtful that the M9P has these features.

[Carl E]

Will you make better time with the Rolex?

 

The Rolex is pretentious, no-one knows what a Leica is.

Buy an Omega and keep the cameras!

 

... or buy a Stowa watch to stay in the tradition of fine, German craftmanship

[michaelctk]

m9 set with submariner, daytona n milgauss Lv...

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[paulholland27]

Wow, does it get any better, a Rolex and Leica porn shot!!! This is the best i can do at the mo. The dust is from the desert in Marrakech after a day riding quad bikes. I think i might have over done it with the tea label...

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[4season]

Is that genuine Lipton Yellow Label tea? Gosh.

[ramosa]

A fine camera can do so much more than a fine watch.

[bocaburger]

Hmm...seems to me both a camera and a watch have singular functional purposes...am I missing something?

 

Among my watches and cameras are an M9 and a Sub. The Sub is with me a lot more often. It's also valued at four times what I paid for it back in 1991, and older Subs command equal or better prices. The M9 20 years from now? Yeah. So if I had to pick one to keep for the long haul, it'd be the Sub no question.

[ramosa]

So you have an expensive watch, and does it bring to you what a fine camera would? "What," of course, could mean lots of things and is certainly not singular. (Perhaps, it does for you. Not for me, as my expensive watch very rarely even gets out of the drawer.)

 

As Thoreau said, "Time is but the stream that I fish by."

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Look here: Leica M

[bocaburger]

So you have an expensive watch, and does it bring to you what a fine camera would? "What," of course, could mean lots of things and is certainly not singular. (Perhaps, it does for you. Not for me, as my expensive watch very rarely even gets out of the drawer.)

 

As Thoreau said, "Time is but the stream that I fish by."

 

My M9 captures images, my Sub indicates the time/date. That's what cameras and watches do for me, no more and (hopefully) no less. I'm not sure what yours do for you, but if more, then great.