stunsworth Posted April 8, 2011 Share #41 Posted April 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you style needs a compelling meter that is sad really, just dont try a M2 in the shop, they extrude superglue I had an M2, bought an M6 and then hardly used the M2. I found the M6 more versatile. I guess I'm sad, or alternatively I'm happy but we're talking about personal opinions not absolute truths. I also tried an M3, same thing. Though personally I did find both the M2 and M3 were improved by using an MR meter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 Hi stunsworth, Take a look here M6 or MP?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Xmas Posted April 8, 2011 Share #42 Posted April 8, 2011 I had an M2, bought an M6 and then hardly used the M2. I found the M6 more versatile. I guess I'm sad, or alternatively I'm happy but we're talking about personal opinions not absolute truths. I also tried an M3, same thing. Though personally I did find both the M2 and M3 were improved by using an MR meter. Hi Steve I said style not personality, technique might have been a better word. For example I need to take the battery out of the M6 as I carry a Leica with the 1st pressure taken up, so the batteries go flat real fast. I only meter when the lighting appears to change, never use the MR meter. I use mono with a low contrast developer... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincoln_m Posted April 9, 2011 Share #43 Posted April 9, 2011 Andym911, you could sell your M2 & M6 to the O.P. and with £600 extra cash get an MP ? Take the battery out of an MP and it's an M2 again for the real photographer experience. Although my M2 has a clockwork self timer which M6 onwards didn't/doesn't. Lincoln Perhaps Leica could have added a self timer to the M7? It has the ability to fire the second curtain after up to 32s so perhaps with an extra switch position on the on/off switch they could have a 10s delay on the first shutter release? M7.2 ? Exposure bracketing would have been nice but then a motor drive would have been required, now the bracketing is done via the ISO/EC dial on the rear manually when using AE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 9, 2011 Share #44 Posted April 9, 2011 Hi, I'm looking for a film Leica to complement an M9. I like the idea of an M3, but am scared to go meterless, so am thinking M6 or MP. I can't find much difference, apart from the price, so I'm thinking black M6. Am I missing something? Thanks! When you buy a M6 you don't miss anything. When you buy a MP and sell it later. You surely will! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazed & Confused Posted April 9, 2011 Author Share #45 Posted April 9, 2011 Thanks everyone. Okay, I'm starting to lean towards an M2 (surprising even myself). My reasons are: They seem cheap to purchase (for a Leica). Look gorgeous - especially the ones without the timer. (Not important, I know, but I'm a bit smitten.) Are built like an MP, apparently. Have a great finder, with 35mm framelines, but can also do 28mm, using the whole viewfinder as a rough guide. They'll hold their value. (When I have more money, I'll probably get an M7 as a true backup for an M9. Are they built as well as an MP? I'm guessing so, as they also have an a la carte option.) Now I just have to find an M2! Anyone seen any in the UK without the timer lever, in a good user state of repair? As long as the mechanicals work perfectly, I'm not too fussed about the odd mark and ding. Oh, and can anyone recommend a good hand held meter? Weston V? And I'm thinking maybe an old skool 35mm to keep it company.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 9, 2011 Share #46 Posted April 9, 2011 All M7s are now built to order. If you want a new one, and can't find stock anywhere, you have to wait. They make them in batches, unlike M9s which are on a continuous line. They are made differently from MPs. MPs have brass gears for starters, not steel. Two different sides of the same coin. I'm waiting for my MP to be made at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted April 9, 2011 Share #47 Posted April 9, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just a quick off-topic question: can an M6 be retrofitted with an "old-style" M3-type rewind lever in Solms? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nei1 Posted April 10, 2011 Share #48 Posted April 10, 2011 Have a M4-2 and a M6,....apparently the little leica elves inside the M4-2 are of a lower social strata than those in the M6,certainly its clothes dont wear as well as those sported by a black paint MP,however its the lowly M4-2 that is picked up because of the perfect 50mm viewfinder.For black and white you really dont need a meter.These are all fine cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 10, 2011 Share #49 Posted April 10, 2011 Just a quick off-topic question: can an M6 be retrofitted with an "old-style" M3-type rewind lever in Solms? Yes. You can do it yourself if you have the part and the tool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
myshkine Posted April 10, 2011 Share #50 Posted April 10, 2011 Thanks everyone. Oh, and can anyone recommend a good hand held meter? Weston V? I recently bought a Sekonic Twinmate L-208 (sells for 65 euro). Very simple and small, very light, very precise. I was happy to see that the meters of my cameras (Leica M6TTL and Olympus OM1n) gave exactly the same readings... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted April 10, 2011 Share #51 Posted April 10, 2011 All M7s are now built to order.I'm waiting for my MP to be made at the moment. Hi Andy Was in Stephen's Sat and indeed his showcase did indeed say M7 or MP built to order, but it looked as if he had a black paint MP sitting on the shelf. beside the showcase built to order caveat, is yours an a la carte? He seems to do nice wrist straps sold me last of current stock for 5 GBP! Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 10, 2011 Share #52 Posted April 10, 2011 The MP on his shelf is a used one. It's pretty much mint, but it's definitely used. I have handled it. I decided to go the whole hog and buy a new one - almost essential if you want the 0.58 finder, as I do. I have a couple of his wrist straps and they really are excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted April 10, 2011 Share #53 Posted April 10, 2011 Are built like an MP, apparently. The MPs have cover glass hard coating, but dont accept IXMOO cassettes. Now I just have to find an M2! Anyone seen any in the UK without the timer lever, in a good user state of repair? As long as the mechanicals work perfectly, I'm not too fussed about the odd mark and ding. Brouse this fora, think Gem's Real camera shoppe Manchester has a button rewind without self timer but collector at 650 GBP... Oh, and can anyone recommend a good hand held meter? Weston V? The V is the nicest but normally I use a III. And I'm thinking maybe an old skool 35mm to keep it company.... Lots of us use the CV LTM 35mm /1.7 or /2.5 lenses, on an adopter, the M mount CV f2.5 are about 250 GBP 2nd hand, without hood. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted April 11, 2011 Share #54 Posted April 11, 2011 I'll probably get an M7 as a true backup for an M9. Are they built as well as an MP? I think they are all built on the same production line in Portugal and to the same standard (which is not quite what you probably wish it was*). *As a small example of this workmanship, my recently bought brand new MP developed a wobbly shutter dial after about half a roll of film, most probably because somebody forgot to properly tighten the little screw in the dial. These cameras are not like Swiss watches (though they now almost cost as much:)). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 11, 2011 Share #55 Posted April 11, 2011 I think they are all built on the same production line in Portugal and to the same standard (which is not quite what you probably wish it was*). They are, although they are finished in Germany as all Ms are. They are made of different parts parts though - brass components in lieu of steel, for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted April 11, 2011 Share #56 Posted April 11, 2011 I think they are all built on the same production line in Portugal and to the same standard (which is not quite what you probably wish it was*). *As a small example of this workmanship, my recently bought brand new MP developed a wobbly shutter dial after about half a roll of film, most probably because somebody forgot to properly tighten the little screw in the dial. These cameras are not like Swiss watches (though they now almost cost as much:)). Ian, if the videos of the production line of preassembled Leica M7 units from Portugal are a standard, the MP is build by Leica, then your loose MP shutter speed dial has been not properly fixed by a fellow German citizen, I am afraid, to inform you slightly ashamed. Although, as has been mentioned, the costs are entering expensive timepiece regions, many people often have to be reminded, that Leica cameras are very, very well made as cameras, but not exactly comparable to watches, which are made to a much higher standard of precision and workmanship (necessary due to their miniaturized mechanics). A loose screw or two should be somewhat tolerable with such a new product. Consider it the run in time, after which the item will continue, to work reliably for a long, long time with proper regular treatment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted April 11, 2011 Share #57 Posted April 11, 2011 A loose screw or two should be somewhat tolerable with such a new product. Consider it the run in time, after which the item will continue, to work reliably for a long, long time with proper regular treatment. 30 seconds of careful tightening with the correct size screwdriver solved my wobbly shutter dial and I'm very happy with the camera (as I have been with the M6TTL, M7, M8 and M9 bodies that I've owned over the years). I expect it to last many years. That said, I would probably have been less sanguine about it had the loose screw been an internal one requiring a trip to Solms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted April 12, 2011 Share #58 Posted April 12, 2011 I recently bought a Sekonic Twinmate L-208 (sells for 65 euro). Very simple and small, very light, very precise. I was happy to see that the meters of my cameras (Leica M6TTL and Olympus OM1n) gave exactly the same readings... I too recently bought one for use with my Rolleicord Vb - the Sekonic also has a slide-across translucent shield for incidence readings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincoln_m Posted April 13, 2011 Share #59 Posted April 13, 2011 Great looking M2 £489 at Red Dot cameras in London http://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=34_35&products_id=2976 Regards, Lincoln Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nei1 Posted April 14, 2011 Share #60 Posted April 14, 2011 They are, although they are finished in Germany as all Ms are. They are made of different parts parts though - brass components in lieu of steel, for example. Hi Andy, are you sure of this?I had been led to believe that the MP and M7 were identical apart from the electronic shutter.Why would the gears be changed:confused:. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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