goodbye

[bad robot]

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Sorry folks, with 2 days left on my passport, I have had the X1 for nearly year. And I really just can't get on with it. It can take some stunning photos, I have a few hanging on my walls. But I have missed too many shots though over exposure, slow and inaccurate focusing, and it just being a camera I can't bond with. I loved my DLUX 4, maybe I should have stuck with that.

 

I have just sold it on for only £70 less than I paid for it a year ago, one thing good I can say about Leicas, they do hold their value. Now I'm going to buy an Fujifilm X100. So so long folks.

[h00ligan]

Enjoy your new camera. You are aware it is as slow, or slower than the x1 by reports yes? Anyway, I sold mine as well, due to speed and a few other factors. I was going to get the x100, but results so far are unimpressive and rel user reports are already coming in with 'slow' attached.

 

Sadly, unless one buys used in the USA there are enough going for $1500-1600, that taking a 70 euro loss seems pretty amazing over here.

[nippa]

I feel your pain Bad Robot.

 

I've had my X1 for a year and a day and ,although the images can be wonderfully leica-esque, I too have found it hard to bond with the camera.

In spite of great IQ , the fixed lens , slowish autofocus and delicate flash ,skin and switchgear all have played a part reducing the camera's usefulness.

 

It's just a pity that the early Fuji X100s don't seem to be hitting the mark speedwise or optically.

As soon as they do , the X1 will go and I bet that's before any new Leica Firmware comes out.

[Dan States]

Bye.

[eelekim]

Goodbye, Robot! I did also sell mine before. Now I've got another one. Although it has the shortcomings (some of them were overblown) as repeated so many times in so many forums before, it's still the best I've ever used. X100? I've placed high hope on it. But after reading comments and looking at pictures from it, I''ve lost nearly all my interest in it.

 

Good luck, Robot! I believe in good hands X100 can be quite a good tool. Don't hesitate to share your thoughts and feelings about it in the right channels and let us know. Thanks!

[elbonedeedo]

Later.

[Allnm]

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The good thing is you can get the X100 and an LX5 with the proceeds of the X1. Sounds like a good deal as long as the X100 lives up to expectations.

I had a D-Lux 4 briefly then borrowed an LX5. Great little cameras, but a bit small and fiddly for me, I had to wear my reading glasses to use them..

 

Anyway, good luck with the new kit.

Allan

[barjohn]

Since I have an X100, I want to correct any misconceptions about its speed. I can reference its performance to the following cameras I have had. G1, GF-1, EP-1 & Sony NEX-5. When it comes to AF performance in normal day light it is on par with the G1, GF-1 & a little faster than the NEX-5. It is much faster than the EP-1. In low light it is a little slower than the G1, GF-1 and still better than the NEX-5 and the EP-1 isn't even in the running. There is no shutter lag I can measure. Repeatedly shooting a running stop watch in manual focus every 5 seconds results in an average time of 170ms. Most of that is my reaction time to seeing the value and pressing the shutter button.

 

Looking at sites that have done controlled tests against the X1, I have concluded the IQ is marginally better than that of the X1 but lacking a decent RAW processor it is hard to be definitive. The lens appears to be slightly better than the X1's and it is appearing from the moire that occasionally shows up with the X100 & the moire clearly visible in resolution test charts that it may have an even weaker AA filter or none. For some that is good and for others it isn't. When it comes to high ISO, it is just incredible and other independent test have confirmed that. However, I have first hand experience and I know it is the best I have scene comparing well to very high end DSLRs. The low level of noise, its nature, the detail held and the color depth are the outstanding factors.

 

Where the X100 needs improvement is in the user manual, it leaves out a lot of detail needed to fully use the camera. There are several aspects of the user interface that need improvement but all should be fixable in firmware. There are some minor bugs such as the fact that when you set ISO in one mode (P,S, or A) it does not apply to all modes so when you change modes it will go to the last ISO set for that mode. It took a while to figure out what was happening. None of these issues are show stoppers. My biggest complaint has to do with write speed to the SD card. This could clearly be improved in firmware. However, even more annoying is the fact that other button functions (not shooting) are locked out while it is writing. Simply moving writing to a background thread could alleviate this issue/annoyance. If you are a chimper it gets in your way and slows you down. If not, it won't matter as you would have to be a very fast shooter to overrun the camera.

[Douglasco]

As you have been the biggest critic of the X1 on this forum from day one, I am not at all surprised by your conclusion that you find the IQ or anything else for that matter of the x100 to be better than the X1.

[barjohn]

Facts speak for themselves don't they!

[Ecaton]

Facts speak for themselves don't they!

 

Using the X1 now for more than one year and having the X100 on pre-order, you can imagine that I sucked in every so called X100 test available so far.

The X100 looks pretty good. But concluding from all these web pics that the X100 beats the X1 IQ and betters its lens performance is nothing but nonsense. My two healthy eyes even tell me that the X1 might have the edge in the IQ department. It definitely produces less clinical and digital looking OOC JPEGs. Concerning lens performance, the X1 is already up there fully open unlike the Fuji, which needs to be stopped down to perform at very good levels. And lastly, I prefer the oof rendering of the Leica, by quite a margin I must say.

The high iso performance of the Fuji looks promising. However, the X1 is no slouch either and absolutely usable at iso 3200. A comparison with the Fuji shot at iso 6400 and the X1 underexposed at iso 3200 and pulled up in PP would be interesting.

[Douglasco]

Barjohn it depends on where and who the facts come from.

[elbonedeedo]

Facts speak for themselves don't they!

Taste is subjective, so "facts" are hardly applicable. Besides, opinion coming from one person so desperate to prove themselves 'right' and thumb their nose at the nonbelievers is hardly an unbiased review. I've read plenty of criticism on this forum already, of the X100. The perplexing thing is why do a few who've made the jump and "love" the X100 feel the need to linger around the X1 subforum and bash the X1. If you don't like it, don't buy it, it's pretty simple. This childish 'my dad can beat up your dad' rhetoric is for the birds.

[Danielsan]

It definitely produces less clinical and digital looking OOC JPEGs

 

interesting to see the JPEG OOC performance after the update. Those X100 tests i saw and the flikr pics were all a bit biased. The X1 was at sharpness 0 and so on. Most tests i saw were from japan web sites, as much as i like the japanese, i will wait for more neutral tests.

[Danielsan]

interesting to see the JPEG OOC performance after the update. Those X100 tests i saw and the flikr pics were all a bit biased. The X1 was at sharpness 0 and so on. Most tests i saw were from japan web sites, as much as i like the japanese, i will wait for more neutral tests.

 

 

feel the need to linger around the X1 subforum and bash the X1

 

i must agree with you, this is kind of strange, a person with manners wouldnt do this, i never visit any X100 Forum and if i would own one i would visit a Leica Forum to bash the other product. I feel it has someting to do with the image of Leica and the higher prices

[patrick parker]

Taste is subjective, so "facts" are hardly applicable. Besides, opinion coming from one person so desperate to prove themselves 'right' and thumb their nose at the nonbelievers is hardly an unbiased review. I've read plenty of criticism on this forum already, of the X100. The perplexing thing is why do a few who've made the jump and "love" the X100 feel the need to linger around the X1 subforum and bash the X1. If you don't like it, don't buy it, it's pretty simple. This childish 'my dad can beat up your dad' rhetoric is for the birds.

 

The guy bought it. Used it. Didn't like it. Now he's selling it. Why wouldn't he share his

opinions about the camera?

[elbonedeedo]

The guy bought it. Used it. Didn't like it. Now he's selling it. Why wouldn't he share his

opinions about the camera?

Can you say pedantic...?

[patrick parker]

pdantic oops , i can't say it.

[Ecaton]

interesting to see the JPEG OOC performance after the update. Those X100 tests i saw and the flikr pics were all a bit biased. The X1 was at sharpness 0 and so on. Most tests i saw were from japan web sites, as much as i like the japanese, i will wait for more neutral tests.

 

"It" refers to the X1. The JPEGS produced by the Fuji look more digital to my eye.

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[Ecaton]

pdantic oops , i can't say it.

 

The behavioral pattern is obsessive. Imagine, if we all would hang out in camera fora of makes which we don't own. We would have to give up family, jobs and life:rolleyes: