Guest stnami Posted November 21, 2006 Share #181 Posted November 21, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) A bit of interest read the text the body not sure about self here The Alternative Museum - They Brothers' Keeper (launch exhibition window) The Alternative Museum - Current Exhibitions Not sure about Lens Work, personally I think this sorta stuff is a waste of time to take seriously, maybe the odd practical tip and that's about it. Helping kids, adults makes no real difference, we look at what one wants to achieve if it is working then we have a direction to foster. If not it is time to nut out a new approach whether it is ideas based, technical or high end conceptual stuff, participating as opposed to responding to text that you may not really be concerned with. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 Hi Guest stnami, Take a look here sean reid and street photography. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
smokysun Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share #182 Posted November 21, 2006 hi imants, everyone needs a mentor. not everybody is lucky. i do enjoy lenswork, though they have the 'tone' aesthetic (edward weston, joseph sudek), while i obviously like dramatic pics and contrasts. (see pic below). ultimately i'm coming from journalism (life, look). and the praise i got came first from a sports column i wrote in high school. the teacher said, 'this person has imagination.' i feel like my whole life and approach has come from those few words. 'image nation' is what we all, perhaps, pursue. for example, this fellow has photos in the present lenswork: Photos by Mehmet Ozgur scroll down the page and look at his smoke works. lots of other stuff. an engineer who does photography for his own pleasure. we look at all kinds of ideas to find something specific we'd like to do. and though i'm back in town and trying not to buy books, i did order one more from kratochvil, 'vanishing'. there's something about his style that really loosens me up. georgia o'keefe, when she graduated from art school, put all her stuff up on the walls of her room. she said, 'that was done to please that teacher.' and she took it down. she did this over and over until the few left hanging were her own. this is probably how we ultimately discover ourselves. keep up the good work. mentoring is important. wayne ps. pic from polaroid x530 bluebeard's last nite b&w Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/1447-sean-reid-and-street-photography/?do=findComment&comment=100370'>More sharing options...
smokysun Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share #183 Posted November 23, 2006 hi imants, here's a page of info on the paris photo show. looks like fun. click on the blue links to see some of the people. Artkrush staged photography seems to be all the rage. re-worked a couple of fufi f30 pics. this gives a fairer example of the color, etc. got a plugin from pictocolor which really makes working with jpeg's a quicker business: Digital Photo Edit and Color Correction Software Professionals and Home Users i think it's well worth the investment. i'm waiting for leica to straighten out it's products before i decide on anything else. would like a digicam with a longer reach. wayne Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/1447-sean-reid-and-street-photography/?do=findComment&comment=101422'>More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 23, 2006 Share #184 Posted November 23, 2006 i'm waiting for leica to straighten out it's products before i decide on anything else. would like a digicam with a longer reach.If I wasn't so friggin lazy about scanning I would go back to film Digital Photo Edit and Color Correction Software Professionals and Home Users I like stuffin around with RAW applications and CS2 to warrant going elswhere Artkrush .. thanks for the site staged photography seems to be all the rage. Always has been a favourite of the art community, great teaching ang learning tool an innocent photo many years ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share #185 Posted November 24, 2006 hi imants, guess my problem is impatience. the slow processes of film finally wore me down, though i took lots of travel slides. trouble is, show your slides once or twice and no one ever wants to see them again! digital and the internet are much more satisfying, don't you think? at least you know a few people are looking... just watched 'william eggleston in the real world'. do you know it? shows him as a drunk and chain-smoker as well as a southern gentleman (upon occasion). it's pretty amazing he was able to make an impact in the real world (his social skills mostly left out). not a metaphysician. 'just liked to make things.' very obsessive and clear about what he wanted. sort of a john cage of photography, ie. he makes just looking interesting. an oddly almost too intimate of a film. ran across this at barnes & noble. ordered a copy (inexpensive). great example of the photo essay. mostly b&w but then he includes a few in color, which come as a shock of the all-too-real. Amazon.com: Heaven, Earth, Tequila: Un Viaje Al Corazon de Mexico: Books: Doug Menuez,Andres Zamudio,Victor E. Villasenor more and more i have to agree with sean. 'street photography' too hard to nail down. watch eggleston at work with a medium format, or the tequila fellow in a bar. maybe 'unstaged' vs. the 'arranged'? 'natural born stories' vs. the 'studio'? changed my thinking on my spring show today. i think i'll concentrate on the theater photos. they've automatically got stories. one question: how do you get someone to look at a photograph for longer than 15 seconds? hope the summer heat isn't getting you yet. wayne ps. great photo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 24, 2006 Share #186 Posted November 24, 2006 one question: how do you get someone to look at a photograph for longer than 15 seconds? ... display 16 versions Those colour ones that I saw are a bit on the Marlboro Man type....... Not many of us really are involved with so called 'street photography'. If you want to photograph and understand one has to get involved with the essential social fabric of the neighborhood, results will only come after months or years. All this bullshit about I want a camera for 'street photography' is exactly that bullshit. What people want is a camera that will take pictures with the hope that they will not be noticed!! I can say that I have only participated intensely in this sort of photography a couple of times. Otherwise as with most I just get a couple of shots of people going about their lives. Some and in particular the younger generation find that extra commitment in their arsenal. Alas for many, we are just kidding ourselves, we pay lip service only or are too busy chasing that one shot to really notice what is going on. Nothing wrong with that as it satisfies the hunger and senses ps the fires are on for young and old already, there is heaps of fuel around and hot enough to bring the eucalyptus oils into a flamable state. Summer is summer, quite like it though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted November 24, 2006 Share #187 Posted November 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) hi wayene and imants.. how r u? ya - making somebody to look at photo fro long time ("more than 15sec") is not the case usually... but making somebody to get back to that photo and look at it 15 more times is a better "indication" :-))) and ya.. if u want to present something then the "series" is a better way i think. so u have that 16 pictures as imants says.. or 20 or 25 and even more if u want :-))) about the "definitions"... "categories"... street or not street... what is street... u say, arranged vs naturaly born.... i will ask u: what about those photos that are not arranged but are done in rooms and other natural places of people??? and what about steiglitz works - portraits of o'keefee... they are arraged for sure... he used big format cameras, but even if georgia o'kefe posed for it, still, look how natural they are, how truthful, how strieght and imotional, how un-conceptualized they are (many of them at least)... more modern kind can be found in many pictures of nan goldin for example... also another example - anni lebovitz etc etc.... "categories"... they are important, but at the same time they are limited, and even more.. they limit many times the "mind", the "thought".... it is like a coin - it has two sides :-)))) and more... what about the photos that are exremly arranged in street... they are not street photo???. take example of fashion use... well selected location, rite up to the framing... well directed movements and behaviour of models - like theater... many times, the output is extrimly natural even if the scene is not exactly a natural street scene casue u usually dont see so much fashionable stuff at once in street :-)))) i think those still can be called street photos in the best manner... i dont say that categories are wrong.. not at all... but i think that a tone of "absolutness" and "sharp defenition" should be removed from categories... i would say that categorizing and defining in those cases are good as some flexible characteristic of something... i know u both may agree with me and maybe see what i say as obvious... but there are many people who "live" according "classifications" and that is the limiting factor... anyway.. honestly, i do love the classification approach many times, cause many of my photo can be read as "this" and as "that" at the same time and it creates alot of diversity :-)))))) above all.... i think "street photography" is first of all a "theme"... a "theme" or "location" that deals with something that is realted to street-life... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 25, 2006 Share #188 Posted November 25, 2006 Vic and more... what about the photos that are exremly arranged in street... they are not street photo??? ................ sometimes not much happens in a street so things must be arranged Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted November 25, 2006 Share #189 Posted November 25, 2006 imants.. what is it "intresting that happnes on street"??? i dont know.. if u mean about something that u will come back home and tell your friends about what happned? - no that doesnt happen usually.. very rarely in fact.. it is more a matter of photographers observation.. both on "human level" and as a photographer on "visual interest"... besides.. i think that more important is what "happens" to photographer on street rather than "what happnes" in terms of stories in the street. the photographer is the creator.. he/she is the writer of the scene, even of those scenes that are "naturaly born".... many assositae the "street photography" as a atory telling as if some "happening" is going on there.... this is very limited look at street photography... seeing street photography as a "impression" gives a far more flexible and creative attitude to a photographer, both in terms of depicting the street life and self-expression etc... your photo is defently a good example... i dont know what u want with this photo, but i got into a mood with that road and a kind of "mini-gaze" ... arranged or not... happenoing or not... dont know, just know that it radiates something to me. here are some photos i have quickly uploaded : street also - here is fantastic street work... look both at photos and at movies... Automobili Lamborghini Holding Spa go to the "model range", and then go to the model called "gallardo"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted November 25, 2006 Author Share #190 Posted November 25, 2006 hi vic, thanks for uploading those street photos and the car link. i find your work really exciting. i think it's because i'm very conscious of you looking at scenes and people, the ultilmate 'flaneur' to use the term coined by baudelaire. (hope the spelling right.) the person who simply enjoys walking and looking. and the city where you live very interesting. i remember seeing a photo of its founding, a crowd of people standing in the sand! glad you threw in some color. it finally dawned on me: b&w is poetry, color is prose. that doesn't mean you can't make color sing but i think you have to manipulate it much more. b&w on the street shows us a place that didn't exist before you took the picture. very interesting. poetry is the shadow which enables the imagination to dream. looking forward to more stuff on your site. you've definitely got the poet in you. hi imants, even with just the car and the road i get the sense of confrontation your pictures always brings. it's a really unusual quality. and i must say i'm not against staging photos. really enjoy fashion, especially from the 80's and 90's. there's something about the formal grip of the photographer doing studio work (even on the street). and the fascination of multiples or going deeper into the work certainly part of the mesmerizing quality of the film 'blow-up.' and speaking of movies, finally bought the criterion edition of 'closely watched trains' (1966). a czech movie which i remembered as the most beautifully filmed b&w movie i've ever seen. this dvd lived up to the memory and i recommend it to everyone. Amazon.com: Closely Watched Trains - Criterion Collection: DVD: Jiri Menzel,Josef Somr,Vladimir Valenta,Vaclav Neckar,Libuse Havelkova wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted November 26, 2006 Share #191 Posted November 26, 2006 thanks wayene... much more will be uploaded any time soon... just a little bussy with my university duties and not in the mood of building website, and most of the photos are not on this little computer i have with me here. ya, "flaneur" might be a rite word :-))))) important part of creation i think... it may look like doing nothing from the side-view, but in the "mind", one may build a "vision" at that very time. aristoteles was also talking about something like that. he says that lasure and relaxing and doing nothing were the things that let ancient egyptian pricsts/monks to develop math/geometry.... the hard and intensive work comes only later in order to "make real" the things/vision that were built in that "flaneur" :-)))) let me take your words about poetry and prose in a bit different direction for a moment.... photography is a strange thing.... its extreme realistic capabilities can make photography very boring sometimes. especially today, when equipment and materias of photography are so developed and also that photography become so popular and everybody can photograph etc..... there was a great writer - walter benjamin. in his essay "the brief history of photography" (1931?) he was writting with amusment about the "power of photography". he says that when u look at photograph it is so exiting and megical, as if u look at a real person or scene. in contemoraryy philosophy of aesthetics, this power of photography is called - "trasperancy of photograph" - as if photographing act is like opening a transperetn window into reality. this sounds great, but this also can be a great limitation of photography i think. it is very eassy to achieve and many times pointless... i think reading poetry, prose, and in fact, any other medium of exression like dance, theater, music, painting, is extrimly important for photographer too. study how other medium express themselves... they do not work so tightly with such a dominant sense - "vision", and they do not have cameras that are so "transparent"... besides being those mediums (like dance for example) so exiting by themselves, they also can teach u many things as a creator in photography. they can teach u how to fill the link that is between the transparent nature of photography and your thoughts. this teaching, usually will not be something direct, or some kind of "instruction", but it is more like in-richment that u aquere as an artist... without that link, i think photography is weak. especially today, with modern cameras and materials, and with so little room that is left for exploring new fields in photography in "visual aspects" of it. but when this link is filled succesfully somehow, then i think that photograpy becomes an amazing medium of exression. and then, many times i found that "visual aspect" of photography can be explored once again with great refreshment... so this "link" might be a key point, even for visual aspects exploration. take an example of theater that u love so much... think what u do in theater... do theater in your mind.. then just throw away everything that is verbal and linguistic in your mind and use "your visision"... that will be photography.. everything u see in the back of your mind can become photography... a few days ago, i saw a great dance perforamnce... a friend of mine was solist, she is amazing dancer - moder dance... that was the first time i saw this performance as full production and that was amazing.. inriching, exiting, and educating as well.. the expression of the body, the choreography that gave stories, reflected feelings etc etc.... many "lighting scenes" for static episodes in the dance were taken from photographs too, and that was cool to see how it works on real-time dance comapred to photographs. inrichment.... giving and taking and inspiring from other fields.... about my city... which one u mean - telaviv or haifa?? they are different but beutiful in their own way :-)))) ah - about people in sand etc... micha bararm is a great israely photographer that photographed israely estabelishment from early days.. he can be found on magnum. also, there is a book by magnum of "50 years for israel" that is great. and also, i love very much the early days of israely before it become a country... horst, who was a great fashion photographer visited israel those times and made amazing photo... the state of israel from sands and almost out of nothing is a magical story in the history of 20th century... really megical story... a year ago, one of my friends (the one who is dancer that i mentioned above), found a diary in her grandmothers house... we've been reading those dairies for days and nights without stoping... history.. leave hostory aside.. that was personal observation of young woman in love.. everything was there.. the sands, the history that made israel, the love, the comunity, the wars, the fears, the hopes.. there were peices that i thought i was reading oscar wilde.. im serious, that woman could have been an amazing writer... so personal and driving... knowing history is nothing... i felt that i was liviing there when reading it. and i wish my photography will be so greatly "written" :-))))))))))))))) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share #192 Posted November 27, 2006 hi vic, i feel like you must have some kind of psychic ability! this week is dance week for me at the local university and i'll be taking photos. a couple from last night below. i wonder if transparency could be re-translated as 'intimacy'? what do you think? i watched a wonderful movie (i again remembered it because of it's images): 'the double life of veronique'. i didn't realize it was the first personal cross-cultural film of the polish director of 'blue, white, and red' series fame. great interviews and a history of modern polish film on the second disk: Amazon.com: The Double Life of Veronique - Criterion Collection: DVD: Irène Jacob,Halina Gryglaszewska,Kalina Jedrusik,Aleksander Bardini,Wladyslaw Kowalski,Jerzy Gudejko,Janusz Sterninski,Philippe Volter,Sandrine Dumas,Louis Ducreux,Claude Duneton,Lorraine Evanoff,Guillaume De Tonquedec,Gilles Gaston-Dreyfus,Alain Frérot,Youssef Hamid,Thierry de Carbonnières,Chantal Neuwirth,Nausicaa Rampony,Boguslawa Schubert,Krzysztof Kieslowski i've probably seen thousands of movies by now and few stick in the mind. it's all about images. and the sensitivity of this director amazing, going after what we usually don't see. again, is that what benjamin meant by transparency? i was thinking of telaviv. do you live and work in both? what the diary you mention gives is, again, i think, an intimate view of history, an individual experiencing it. it is hard for us to open up, as the polish director says, we want to hide things, the most intimate and personal things, but they must come out in one's work as they do in a diary. you're lucky to have this inspiration. if the the times, subject, and personal angle of the individual creator are interesting, you have a winner. thanks for your thoughts. we're all benefiting from them. wayne ps: three favorite dance photo books. the ewing has lots of variety, real classics: Amazon.com: Airborne: The New Dance Photography of Lois Greenfield: Books: Lois Greenfield,Daniel Giradin,William A. Ewing Amazon.com: The Fugitive Gesture: Masterpieces of Dance Photography: Books: William A. Ewing Amazon.com: Max Waldman on Dance: Books: Max Waldman Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/1447-sean-reid-and-street-photography/?do=findComment&comment=105142'>More sharing options...
vic vic Posted November 28, 2006 Share #193 Posted November 28, 2006 wayene hi... ha ha - no man - no special psyhic abilities.. i guess we have some wide common interests so things come up :-)))))) benjamin... well - he was amazed to see the adamsons photo of fishermans wife... he said that it is almost like looking the real thing.... he said that here is the essensial value of photography compared to painting... the ability of photograph to depict the real moment - to give the sense of reality as if u look at real scene.... by the way... he was the man that predicted the rise of small cameras called leica and their role in the socity. and indeed, short after that, andre kartezh and henry-bresson started to make it :-))))) about transperancy and intemicy... ya- i think that transperent nature of photography is important aspect that readiates intimacy.. but with it, i think that the link between intimacy and trasperancy is not automatic and obviuos at all... and also, the transperent nature of photo is not the only way to create photo that radiates intimacy. i think one of the most important important characteristics of intimacy is the concentration that the photo creates for the viewer and the depth it can lead into the object photographed.... the ability of the photograph to presentr some object or some scene that leadds the viewer from the vissual apperarance of the subject/scene, rite into the depth of the "invisibale" (non-material) qualities and levels of that very same object/scene.... oh, kishlosky....... this is a great director... im with u with every word... the images.. the words are sticked in your mind for a very long time :-)))) his imagary (the camera work) really serves the mood with its qualities in rendering the scenes and subtelness... another recomendation: brother dardenne (jan-piere and luc) are great movie makers of current time.. amazing camera work.... simply amazing... one of their canne festival awarded film is "le infante -child in english i suppose".. it is a dark drama that is made super realistic with the camera and the act of the actors.... and above all... "le fils - son, in english", is one of the best camera works in my opinion in recent times. just see it, u will imidiatly understand why i talk about it. extreme intimacy that comes from camera work... amazing film. and one more... i think i have mentioned it once (????? - told imants i think)... a movie maker called theo anglpoulos... he is greek. sometimes i think it is the "everest" of movies. amzing camera work too, and above all, i dont know if any other movie maker can radiate so much feelings in most intime way inside the viewers mind. specially recomnded... "landscape in the mist", "the weaping widow" ,,,, about the dance phortos... i really like the second image... im not totally sure about the colours there, but i really like the glow on the dancer... good luck of course with the upcoming dance photos... get close to subject as much as u can... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnd1 Posted November 29, 2006 Share #194 Posted November 29, 2006 Hi, Wayne, I am enjoying your views on street photography. I am not sure if you saw this image I made three years ago in the streets of Bratislava. Enjoy, Phil http://www.pbase.com/pnd1/image/20740742 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share #195 Posted November 30, 2006 hi phil, great to hear from you. you always get credit for my buying the d-lux 2 and d2. you're my hero of the digicam. a really fun photo. i did have to break out the dslr for the first time tonite in a year to get dance photos acceptable to the participants. about to check them out. i was all ready to buy the d-lux 3, but when it seemed like what i already had i bought two others for less than the price of the one: the polaroid x530 with a foveon sensor (interesting color) and the fufi f30, which i confess has become my compact of choice. i love the colors (just choke down the ev in daylight) and the lowlight performance amazing. the battery too. i've debated over the fz50 and vulux 1 and finally ordered the fuji 6000fd which has the same sensor as the f30, raw, 10x zoom, etc. it seems large but the price at the moment $350 after rebate. i'll let you know how it performs. glad you're enjoying the discussion. imants and vic have lots of interesting observations, the first on actual practice, the second on theoretical/psychological states of photo making. my question/goal still remains: how do you become one of the best? and unless you're doing set-up shots, it all falls under street photography. cheers, wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share #196 Posted November 30, 2006 hi sean, i know you're busy elsewhere, but if you happen to read this, i'd like to suggest a comparison between the fufi f30 and the d-lux 3 and the fuji 6000fd and the v-lux 1 would be very enlightening (at least for me). thanks. keep up the good work. wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 30, 2006 Share #197 Posted November 30, 2006 how do you become one of the best? not sure If I really want to go there.... personally it has never been an issue, the images at hand and the visual/conceptual considerations deem themselves as more important to me. That's about as far as I travel on this so called dilema.... After a few weeks with the GRD I am back with the D2 for day work, the smaller size of the Ricoh makes no difference to me. Using a camera in a backup come just in case there is a image to be had situation doesn't sit too well with me, it's either I am taking photos or I am not. It still comes in handy if I am off to the theatre as there is a mentality to check bags into the cloakroom here, and the 800iso helps at dusk as opposed to 400 max on the D2. The D2 still has that great colour rendition and I only use B&W in the GRD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share #198 Posted November 30, 2006 hi imants, you were very wise to have your d2 completely overhauled when you did. another thread bemoans sensor death and slow repairs. i'm saving mine for portraits and in the theater (not for dance). last week i spent time going through my own photos taken with different cameras and with the camera search on pbase. in the end i decided the d2 absolutely unique and the best of everything (for me). if they'd thrown the f30 sensor into it, without any other changes, i would have bought another. yes, dance and lowlight. the example below what the dancers want and not the ones above. a friend once said, 'people want a reflection of themselves, not prophecy.' i do like trying different cameras for different results (obviously) but i have to take only one with me. otherwise i always revert to the most familiar one, the one i've used recently. carry one camera at a time, that seems to be the lesson. love your pic. i don't know how you get such unusual results from ordinary (even if exotic) material. i do think we have to set our sights high, even if we're disappointed in the end. better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. thanks, wayne Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/1447-sean-reid-and-street-photography/?do=findComment&comment=107759'>More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted December 1, 2006 Share #199 Posted December 1, 2006 cameras!!! it is a pity that the simplicty of a Leica has faded into the chroncles of film. A simple camera with a 28mm and a 40mm in the pocket, no filters just good quality images to work with........ alas not to be. Then again I still have the D2. I really think that what Vic said is important with the dance stuff get close and personal, a couple of days at 24mm or 28mm would see you into the groove Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted December 1, 2006 Share #200 Posted December 1, 2006 hi imants and wayne.. imants - the two photos are really fantastic... wayene... the recent photo of dance is nice and very good as a kind of report of the perormance. but.. if u want to explose te dance in photography and alike, i highly recomend u to get in contact with the band.. talk to them, explain them what would like like to do and alike, and they might be extrimly possitive about it. what i mean is that the best way is to make a real photo-session. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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