vic vic Posted October 2, 2006 Share #81 Posted October 2, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) ha ha imants- u will ave to keep on reading lews carol if that is what u want :-)))))))) no man... i have no connection at all with the science-fiction issues of any kind... fourth dimension??? well - i will stay with te attempt to mimic three dimention in photography or to find other expression of "psace and time in two dimentions without mimicing) :-)))))))))) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Hi vic vic, Take a look here sean reid and street photography. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest stnami Posted October 2, 2006 Share #82 Posted October 2, 2006 THe forth dimension never really got going... became a very lame duck Fourth Dimension The White Rabbit was never into science fiction, just other stuff, Lewis Carroll was also a mathamatician and photographer to boot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frc Posted October 3, 2006 Share #83 Posted October 3, 2006 Well people, Doesn't photography sometimes require warp speed? And all this on a flat surface. How far is the horizon in a picture? Right at hand: no where else this phenomenon can be found. Forth dimention, not to be found in my pics. regards, Fr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 3, 2006 Share #84 Posted October 3, 2006 ha ha imants about fourth dimention.. i will not even get intgo it.. too many unclear premesis made there underneath ... but leave it for now, man....:-))) ha sorry - not femiliar i guess - have a link ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted October 3, 2006 Share #85 Posted October 3, 2006 ... meanwhile back in reality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 3, 2006 Share #86 Posted October 3, 2006 immmants - why u put such a small pics.. i dont see anything in tem - sory man - my monitor is high res so everything looks tiny on it.. this looks almost like icons of the pic then pic itself :-)))))))))))) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted October 3, 2006 Share #87 Posted October 3, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Watched Suzhoa River a Chinese flick some really interesting hand held filming as well as framed shots of the Chinese urban environment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 3, 2006 Share #88 Posted October 3, 2006 ah immants, have to mention it... there is a great film director and movie maker called - theo anglopolus... he is greek... one of my fave fim makers... anyway - the photography/cinemotography (from visual point if view) is amazig in his movies (well this is not the only reason to love his film of course)... if u r not femiliar with it - have a look.. but be in mood of slow film.. very deep etc... he mainly deals with history of greece with identity of greek nation (but nothing close to common historical films). ha ha - it takes me at least a day to "get out" of his films after watching - so be prepared, u may fall in it too :-))))))))) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share #89 Posted October 9, 2006 hi sean, i've been re-reading the articles on your site that pertain to me: street-photography, small sensor cameras, daytona bike week, and the d-lux 2, as well as the article on alex majoli that you reference. with you i'm still not exactly sure what 'street photography' is but it seems to be like a series of movie stills taken from everyday life. in other words, life stages the drama and the photographer catches it on the fly. two interesting books i recommend from torst (i believe they specialize in czech photographers): antonin kratochvil and josef koudelka. the latter, for example, started with theater photography and learned his craft. he then wanted to apply it to the life all around us. hcb helped him a lot in paris, though k. thought hcb's pics too psychological and dependent on a transitory moment. kratochvil is even more confrontational (which imants should love) and interesting in his technique, ie. two old battered nikons both with a 28mm lens. says he never gets tired of learning what they can do, turning them every which way. long interview notes with koudelka. very, very interesting, though the interviewer made one of the most interesting comments: "It occurs to me that sometimes what is difficult in life is being able to define one's task precisely. Many talented people probably peter out because they are unable to do it and get pulled in all kinds of directions." seems to me that's worth an article: 'defining your task' for example, i'm much less interested in traveling to take pictures, no matter how picturesque they might be. i find looking at where i live and the people and things to which i'm attached emotionally have more punch. a couple days ago i found myself looking out the window and taking pictures of clouds passing the tower. these clouds form the street people of my summer: d-lux 2 cloud creatures outside my window Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com sorry they're so small. better on a 20 in screen! wayne ps. amazing how many great photographers have lived like monks, kratochvil and koudelka included, and majoli too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 9, 2006 Share #90 Posted October 9, 2006 hi sean, i've been re-reading the articles on your site that pertain to me: street-photography, small sensor cameras, daytona bike week, and the d-lux 2, as well as the article on alex majoli that you reference. with you i'm still not exactly sure what 'street photography' is but it seems to be like a series of movie stills taken from everyday life. in other words, life stages the drama and the photographer catches it on the fly. two interesting books i recommend from torst (i believe they specialize in czech photographers): antonin kratochvil and josef koudelka. the latter, for example, started with theater photography and learned his craft. he then wanted to apply it to the life all around us. hcb helped him a lot in paris, though k. thought hcb's pics too psychological and dependent on a transitory moment. kratochvil is even more confrontational (which imants should love) and interesting in his technique, ie. two old battered nikons both with a 28mm lens. says he never gets tired of learning what they can do, turning them every which way. long interview notes with koudelka. very, very interesting, though the interviewer made one of the most interesting comments: "It occurs to me that sometimes what is difficult in life is being able to define one's task precisely. Many talented people probably peter out because they are unable to do it and get pulled in all kinds of directions." seems to me that's worth an article: 'defining your task' for example, i'm much less interested in traveling to take pictures, no matter how picturesque they might be. i find looking at where i live and the people and things to which i'm attached emotionally have more punch. a couple days ago i found myself looking out the window and taking pictures of clouds passing the tower. these clouds form the street people of my summer: d-lux 2 cloud creatures outside my window Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com sorry they're so small. better on a 20 in screen! wayne ps. amazing how many great photographers have lived like monks, kratochvil and koudelka included, and majoli too. Hi Wayne, As you know, I like Koudelka's work very much and used a picture by him as the last illustration in the SP article. I'll look into the others. Before I look at your new pictures, I should respond to the others. What I found most interesting about them was their content...here's this man, living by himself (for a time) in this tower in the wilderness, surrounded by books and art. It seems to me to be a very specific kind of existence and so what I've thought the task, with those pictures, might be is to find forms that are sufficient, convincing and engaging enough to really show us that man and that life as they can exist in pictures. Robert Frank has done this, and primarily this, for some time now. He tells us what it is to be Robert Frank, to have lost one's daughter in a plane crash, to be in a hospital with a dying man, to be in pain, to be skeptical about the preciousness of prints, to be living in a small and simple house on the edge of the Atlantic Ocean in Cape Breton, and so on. Content and form are both there, in those pictures, in spades. I know that you like Nan Goldin's work. She has real content for sure but I'm not persuaded by her pictures' form. I met her early on and saw work that was being exhibited in an old school or something. She has a story to tell, of course, but the *pictures* as pictures don't make it for me. Content by itself isn't enough just as form by itself isn't enough. Was it Koudelka or Kertesz who made that picture of the kids throwing stones at that old work horse? That picture has content, for sure, but it also has strong form which makes it really a "picture". It needs the latter to hurl the former across home plate, you know? So I imagine you're not in the fire tower any more but maybe your subject right now is yourself and your own life. If that's true, the next task is to learn how to give that form. Or, so it strikes me right now. An article on "defining one's task" would be interesting but I don't know whether or not I can write it. BTW, the "myths" article might also be useful to you, esp. once it starts to talk about those Frank and Strand pictures. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 9, 2006 Share #91 Posted October 9, 2006 The cloud pictures: I think the first one is the strongest but the bottom edge would need to come up. I think a series like this needs to have a lot variety and surprise and/or the variations need to be compelling. The pictures are almost automatically dramatic to begin with but then one quickly needs more and that's really going to come from mastering form. Your engagement with the world seems to be such that you're finding content all over the place. I'd put tracing paper on all of these and trace them (as Ben Lifson does in those articles). Or sketch from them... Then sketch from the work (painting, photographs, etc) that you find to be most compelling in terms of form so that you increasingly absorb. Lots of drawing would be good and an immersion, again, into paintings, drawings, etc., followed by sketching from life and from art. In the SP article, the content of each of those pictures is interesting. But what they also have in common is that they each deliver form like a powerful left hook - every one of them. BTW, it is much easier to see these pictures against grey. Now they have edges. Thanks. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share #92 Posted October 9, 2006 hi sean, thanks for the feedback. as always, it's a great help. and it's interesting. on pbase you can see which pictures getting the most hits, and from that series it was always the ones with me in them. and other people seem to find the self-portraits the most interesting, partly cause i play this droll character, without meaning to, though i always wanted to be a buster keaton or charlie chaplin. last summer my project was a self-portrait, but since the photos all heavily post-processed, i don't think they'd fit what you're suggesting. as for 'defining your task', maybe it's helping people look at their own photos, suggesting ways they might do so, to learn from themselves. for example, koudelka studies his own photos a lot, learning from himself. i think once you have 'your' content then you can begin to work on the form, exactly as you've suggested it to me. how do we look at what we've been doing and draw the right conclusions? what other people like might not be where you need to go. kratochvil, for example, has only taken one photo assignment in 30 years of photographing professionally. he's always chosen his own projects. pretty amazing. he was toughened up by life. the preface to the torst book interesting. i find him often a bit too down-beat and gritty, but i like it when he applies this to movie-stars. thanks again for your comments. since you've read a lot of jack kerouac you've read the first chapter of desolation angels. it's the best description of lookout life i've found. and very charming and humorous. yes, i'm still up here, but the weather gradually closing in. my best, wayne ps. i'd really appreciate a comparison between the d-lux 3 and the fuji f30. i know the latter doesn't have raw, but everybody says it blows away all other compact cameras in the iso department and low-light. how have they done it? and why doesn't leica jump on this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 10, 2006 Share #93 Posted October 10, 2006 hi sean, thanks for the feedback. as always, it's a great help. and it's interesting. on pbase you can see which pictures getting the most hits, and from that series it was always the ones with me in them. and other people seem to find the self-portraits the most interesting, partly cause i play this droll character, without meaning to, though i always wanted to be a buster keaton or charlie chaplin. last summer my project was a self-portrait, but since the photos all heavily post-processed, i don't think they'd fit what you're suggesting. as for 'defining your task', maybe it's helping people look at their own photos, suggesting ways they might do so, to learn from themselves. for example, koudelka studies his own photos a lot, learning from himself. i think once you have 'your' content then you can begin to work on the form, exactly as you've suggested it to me. how do we look at what we've been doing and draw the right conclusions? what other people like might not be where you need to go. kratochvil, for example, has only taken one photo assignment in 30 years of photographing professionally. he's always chosen his own projects. pretty amazing. he was toughened up by life. the preface to the torst book interesting. i find him often a bit too down-beat and gritty, but i like it when he applies this to movie-stars. thanks again for your comments. since you've read a lot of jack kerouac you've read the first chapter of desolation angels. it's the best description of lookout life i've found. and very charming and humorous. yes, i'm still up here, but the weather gradually closing in. my best, wayne ps. i'd really appreciate a comparison between the d-lux 3 and the fuji f30. i know the latter doesn't have raw, but everybody says it blows away all other compact cameras in the iso department and low-light. how have they done it? and why doesn't leica jump on this? Hi Wayne, You are dead right about content and as I wrote in that SP article, content is really between the artist and the world. No one else can tell you what your content should be. I also agree that one usually has to start with content and then find form although doing the opposite might be able to free up the unconscious enough for the content to start to reveal itself. But if you are interested in your own life as a lookout in a lookout (is that right?) then form is the next thing to go after and form is often very difficult. Also, how do you get closer and closer to the jugular of this subject of yourself in this place, etc. The clouds are worth pursuing (from your rather unique vantage point) if they really are compelling to you. My gut sense is that they might make a cameo appearance from time to time in the midst of a body of work which is really about that life. Robert Frank, man....do you have the newer stuff up there? He might point the way or at least help. Meanwhile, I'd start sketching all the time. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted October 10, 2006 Share #94 Posted October 10, 2006 Wayne "It occurs to me that sometimes what is difficult in life is being able to define one's task precisely. Many talented people probably peter out because they are unable to do it and get pulled in all kinds of directions." That is something that I find difficult, I prefer things a bit more comprehensive though I have managed to stay on track with the last body of work (30 art/photo/composites) a that I have just completed. The next body of work is tying in some old images I took as a kid with a new cemetery series at the Rookwood Necropolis, at 283 hectares (700 acres), this was my childhood playground, down the backyard through the drain and there it was. Probably contrast this with a series on our Olympic site which is a bit of a lost space of concrete Then there is the kitchen....... The clouds look good, something to dive into.. I guess you will have to stay in your crows nest for the duration of winter as well .... just to get that variety Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share #95 Posted October 10, 2006 hi imants, i can make a lot of sacrifices for art, but sitting thru a winter up here is not one of them. (people did as plane-spotters during ww2 so it's not impossible.) right now the wind ripping out of the east and it's nippy. your return to childhood seems important to me. at five we were doing what we really wanted to do, before schools and the world started pushing us for an occupation. i did go to my first lookout at ten in pinnacles ntl. monument. left an impression that's never faded. and this business of compacts goes back to a 16mm still spy camera my father brought back from japan in 1951. i'm still fascinated by the small critters. some things continue to excite us in a childhood way and they tend to have the most emotional resources, like gushers from the unconscious. it's one way to keep in touch with our 'task.' we need these triggers to our imagination. another example, as a minister's kid in a small montana town i got to walk into the movies whenever i wanted to (four years old) cause the owner a member of the congregation. before the age of television this was a tremendous blessing. so, a sense of mystery from pictures, moving and not, there from the beginning. best of luck with your projects. wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share #96 Posted October 10, 2006 hi sean, here's an update, a selection from last summer's project. all from re-worked photos. it's probably not what you had in mind, but living in solitude it's a matter of changing psychological states. the self-portrait project summer 2005 Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com thanks for the suggestions. i'll keep working on it. wayne ps. did you ever get a chance to look at this. it's the wry story of a motocycle guy who starts a revolution: 1976 - Murphy's Rebellion Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com you might get a chuckle or two out of it. i wrote it for celebrations in 1976! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommycrown Posted October 11, 2006 Share #97 Posted October 11, 2006 Dear Sean, Are you planning on getting your hands on the new Vlux 1 at all? I was just wondering since I can't seem to find anybody who would post reviews on Vlux. Thanks in advance, Tommy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share #98 Posted October 11, 2006 hi tommy, lots of interesting user comments on the dp review site of the fz50. noise complaints the same as the d-lux 3 and lx2 (i think it's the same sensor). i wonder if leica isn't holding back to see if they can do something about it. by the way, fuji has just come out with a comparable f6500fd (i think that's the right number) which uses, i believe, the f30 sensor, reigning king of the low-light. i think the v1 may be a hard sell. wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommycrown Posted October 12, 2006 Share #99 Posted October 12, 2006 Dear Wayne, Do you currently own or at least plan to own the FujiS6500fd by any chance? (I understand it would be out by this month) I really like to see the image quality, but dpreview hasn't gotten there yet. I particulary like the shutter speed and the wide angle zoom features. If Vlux 1 started out with 28mm equivalent, it wouldn't been easier to sell! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommycrown Posted October 12, 2006 Share #100 Posted October 12, 2006 Oh Wayne, one more thing, have you checked out the new FujiS9600? Fujifilm FinePix S9600 / S9100: Digital Photography Review Man, fuji continues to impress me, but still not Leica...hmmm If Panaleica or Leicasonic can learn from this taking-advice and FIX-IT right away attitude~~ NO HATRED TOWARD LEICA~~I STILL LOVE LEICA Tommy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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