OK x1 users: show me your sharpness.

[h00ligan]

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Spawned from another thread or three, I'd like to see examples of the x1 without massive post sharpening/ work. Something either tripod based or at a shutter speed where shake is not an issue.

 

I'd really like to get a definitive answer as to whether my x1 is performing up to par.

 

I see many claims about sharpness /iq beating even full frame cameras, so let's see them.

 

The only sharpening that should be applied is default raw converter. No ooc jpg as it sharpens a lot, and frankly since we don't have control over nr, which smears, it won't work.

 

I'd appreciate a resized full shot followed by crops both center and off center.

 

Thank you all you'd really be helping me out.

 

Yes this is a gear thread its about the camera not photography

[huzel]

No other tool (eg lighroom) is used.

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[h00ligan]

thank you, this is default raw development?

 

do you happen to have any landscape shots at f5.6-8?

 

I appreciate your time.

[huzel]

This photo is taken as jpeg (not raw). Unfortunately size has to be so small in order to send reply as an attachment here. If you would like to see more and can email without changing the size for a better assessment.

Regards

[h00ligan]

Thank you for the offer, unfortunately jpg doesn't answer any questions because of the sharpening and possible noise reduction. I certainly appreciate your time though, thank you.

[ravinj]

Edward - Not sure what you are looking for, but feel free to check out images here:

 

Adventures with Leica X1 | Just another WordPress.com site

 

You can download full-size samples, by clicking on thumbnails and then clicking on the Full Size link. All processed from DNG. I am sure there are much better samples available elsewhere, but this should give you some idea. Images are sharpened for glossy paper, so may look over sharp on some monitors. I suggest you print a couple of them out to get the "real picture" (I particularly suggest the Cottage picture - 1st one. On glossy paper, it came out quite good).

 

Let me know if you need more samples.

[Mr_Jones]

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I'm trying to attach a fairly random photo that might fit your criteria! It's not my idea of any proof in the argument, but an example of the X1 handheld at f4.0 shooting land/city scape. Of course it's now a jpg of tiny proportions so that it can be shown on this forum.

 

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[h00ligan]

Thanks ravinj a lot, that's just about what I am looking for. What was your post shot sharpening workflow on these?

 

Mr jones can you post a crop of the off center bricks to offset the forum quidelines. Thanks to you too.

[ptu]

Buggers. I had chosen 4 photos to demo the sharpness but alas they were 100KB to big. Thus I offer you a one link to tumblr.

 

Carcass

[Mr_Jones]

How about I just assure you they are super sharp

 

I will work out how to do it but I'm kind of busy so it might take a couple of hours.

[Mr_Jones]

Bricks in center as a jpeg, no sharpening in post.

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[andym911]

EDWARD

I don't have the camera any more but the sharpness was superb, this I know.

OTOH there are lots of cameras around that cost a fraction and can deliver super sharp images...I will try to find some shot with the X1.

In the meantime here is what a 400 euro camera with a consumer zoom lens can do in the hands of my 9 year old daughter..sharp enough for me;)

 

best

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[ravinj]

Thanks ravinj a lot, that's just about what I am looking for. What was your post shot sharpening workflow on these?

 

I developed these using what I call "lazy" workflow.

 

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Lightroom presets: punch, sharpen landscapes. Contrast increased for some of them. That's it.

[h00ligan]

Buggers. I had chosen 4 photos to demo the sharpness but alas they were 100KB to big. Thus I offer you a one link to tumblr.

 

Carcass

 

That's very sharp, you're right.

 

Andy thanks.

 

I need to address something here..this isn't meant to be an x1 isn't sharp thread. It started when I saw some really sharp landscapes from the x1... Which made me say, hey I cant get results like that! At which point I took out the tripod, and still couldn't get there, even using many different forms of sharpening in post. That then led to some comparisons with other cameras, which were subsequently coupled with the reading of comments like 'x1 gives better iq than 5dmk2 w/L glass'.

 

So $2000 on a compact, I wanted to see if for some reason mine isn't unto par with others'. It's similar to the whole front/ back focus thing.. Yes you can choose whatever tool, but when you buy that tool and you feel it isn't performing, you have to start figuring out why. That is why I asked for others' samples without a ton of sharpening applied. So I can deduce if the camera is not the best of copies, or subsequently start a conversation in the post processing forum seeking advice.

 

Sharpness of the x1 may be relative to other cameras..as Andy mentioned, however I am trying to see what kind of copy variation there may be, if any. Especially given that the iq is supposed to redeem the often discussed shortcomings of the x1, I thought it may be best to ensure I'm getting the same result as others before saying 'hmm, I don't see it' and selling it on.

 

I hope that explains it and thank you all for your help and time.

[JeTexas]

Off-center sharpness will of course be greatly determined by both f-stop and the focal plane of whatever is in the photograph.

 

Here are a couple with virtually no post-production. I think I might have adjusted the exposure and contrast ever so slightly in the first photo of the Chateau. Of course it was shot in bright sunlight at I think f8, and the entire building is flat, so it stayed in focus from end to end.

 

Chateauform Mareil le Guyon by ffacker, on Flickr

 

Now here's another handheld one in low light at f2.8 with absolutely zero post-production.

L1011705 by ffacker, on Flickr

 

Both of them can be opened to their original size on Flickr, so you can pan around to check the sharpness in different areas.

[soleforeal]

400 ISO, hand held.

 

[h00ligan]

If you lot aren't adding much sharpening to your raws, I need to talk to leica.

[ravinj]

If you lot aren't adding much sharpening to your raws, I need to talk to leica.

 

How much sharpening have you tried to add? Do you have any DNGs that you want to upload to Windows Skydrive? If so, I could take a look at them.

[JeTexas]

Here's one where I did turn up the sharpness and contrast in Adobe Raw Converter (pretty much the same as Lightroom).

 

L1011007 by ffacker, on Flickr

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[phancj]

That's very sharp, you're right.

 

Andy thanks.

 

I need to address something here..this isn't meant to be an x1 isn't sharp thread. It started when I saw some really sharp landscapes from the x1... Which made me say, hey I cant get results like that! At which point I took out the tripod, and still couldn't get there, even using many different forms of sharpening in post. That then led to some comparisons with other cameras, which were subsequently coupled with the reading of comments like 'x1 gives better iq than 5dmk2 w/L glass'.

 

So $2000 on a compact, I wanted to see if for some reason mine isn't unto par with others'. It's similar to the whole front/ back focus thing.. Yes you can choose whatever tool, but when you buy that tool and you feel it isn't performing, you have to start figuring out why. That is why I asked for others' samples without a ton of sharpening applied. So I can deduce if the camera is not the best of copies, or subsequently start a conversation in the post processing forum seeking advice.

 

Sharpness of the x1 may be relative to other cameras..as Andy mentioned, however I am trying to see what kind of copy variation there may be, if any. Especially given that the iq is supposed to redeem the often discussed shortcomings of the x1, I thought it may be best to ensure I'm getting the same result as others before saying 'hmm, I don't see it' and selling it on.

 

I hope that explains it and thank you all for your help and time.

 

Edward,

 

I am quite certain you have a dud. Send it in to Leica. IF all else fails sell it to me for a song hahah. My wife has been hinting at my X1 for the longest time and I am undecided on the M9. Might as well get one more for her.