should i hold out for the M10?

[bill]

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That's somewhat far from the truth, old chap

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/49228-i-love-my-m2.html

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[Arash]

That's somewhat far from the truth, old chap

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/49228-i-love-my-m2.html

Regards,

Bill

Oh i just get distracted from our talk here with your beautiful pic, lovely

However, what we are fighting about( kidding) is not a scientific talk, it doesn't have anything to do with specs, but rather feelings, and the feelings of people in future about our camera's today

I didn't say M2 is like M8, maybe M2 will be more like M10, an improvement over the game changer(M9)

I see a lot of Nikon and Canon guys who are buying M9, not because they are in love with Leica brand, but just because there's no equal for M9 in the bazaar. They weren’t interested in M8

That’s why i call it a game changer, i hope we both agree that while M2 is an improvement over M3 its hardly a game changer, its evolution of the revolution

That’s why i say making M10 better than M9 is a hard job for Leica, M9 is the revolution, evolution of it will led to a better camera, not a game changer

Btw you have a nice hand writing, we digital kids are used more to keyboards than writing like that

[lennycam]

 

 

I have a friendly suggestion for you, Buy a Sony NEX 5 camera for carrying instead of the monstrous 1Dmk4, It has a APS-C sensor, barely smaller than 1D(1D has 1.3x crop, NEX 1.5x, bigger sensor than canon 1.6x for 60d)

 

 

You will be blown away by picture and movie quality of NEX5 with your M(or R) lenses

 

yeah, i was checking it out. i did not know they had adapters to use leica m lenses, that would be great of they do. i also had my eye on the panasonic gh2, but that is a 2x conversion. yet the picture quality looks promising

[Arash]

sorry duplicated post

[Arash]

yeah, i was checking it out. i did not know they had adapters to use leica m lenses, that would be great of they do. i also had my eye on the panasonic gh2, but that is a 2x conversion. yet the picture quality looks promising

 

GH2 has 18mp on a small sensor, NEX has 14mp on a %50 bigger sensor

Dynamic range and high iso noise performance will not be comparable

 

Also as you said Gh2's 2x crop factor is a deal breaker for using with 35mm lenses

 

And from what i heard Voigtlander's M to Nex adapter is the best one around, and after that i think there's a chinese company named kipon which makes a good M to nex adapter

[lennycam]

i checked out the NEX5, i need to do more checking. the way my eyes are these days, i cannot manually focus on a screen like that. i either need a viewfinder or a zacuto finder. i have to see if the zacuto finder will fit, and see if the package still makes sense after that, is it still ergonomic enough to use day in and day out. i will try to play with different options.

 

but i still have not given up on the m9 either, just weighting my options.

[sabrewolf]

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i checked out the NEX5, i need to do more checking. the way my eyes are these days, i cannot manually focus on a screen like that. i either need a viewfinder or a zacuto finder. i have to see if the zacuto finder will fit, and see if the package still makes sense after that, is it still ergonomic enough to use day in and day out. i will try to play with different options.

 

but i still have not given up on the m9 either, just weighting my options.

 

The NEX-5 has MF focus assist which will focus much much more accurate than visually albeit very hard if your hand keep shaking....

[bill]

Hi Arash, and thank you for your kind words. Yes, I think that we are both on the same track. Certainly regardless of what we think of the M8 and M9, the M10 looks like being the "next generation" that is needed.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[Arash]

If i were in your place, lookin after a portable high quality package, considering you already have M lenses, i would trade my Canon gear with a M9+NEX5 combo, they both COMBINED weight 200gram less than a 1dmk4!

 

Also nex has a magnifier which will help you manual focusing, you will focus with it probably better than a rangefinder, the 18-200 Sony E mount also has autofocus on nex, which is ideal for videography, since it has optical image stabilazation.

see this link:

Sony Nex with Sony E 18-200/3.5-6.3 OSS - Shooters.

 

If you're not a photojurnalist who need crazy fast autofocus M9+nex is a killer combo, M9 is the ultimate cam for landscape and all and Nex for video and burst, you only need an adapter or a sony lens

 

 

(also have a look at nex VG10, its the NEX without photography raw mode(only jpeg) but with better video options, also with an EVF, i personally prefer nex5)

[lennycam]

that vg10 looked interesting, until i read more. i was surprised i had not heard about it, but now i know why, it is a 60i camera.

 

your suggestion is nice, but i am not selling any of my canon cameras. nothing can do what they do, for the price, right now. and i have a whole big set up to use them as film cameras. plus, for photojournalism, that 1d mk4 is spectacular. that autofocus is so fast!

 

the m9 would be my fun camera, and that is really expensive (for me) for a hobby camera, so that is why i am thinking this out carefully.

 

but i am not ready to let go of the stuff i have, they still have their place, for the foreseeable future.

 

i have an alexa on order, and, if i do get it, then i could see facing out the 1d, and getting the m9. but then again, i really do like that 1dmk4

[bybrett]

mind:

 

2) i am still hoping for some kind of video option. i really don't want to carry a second camera in my bag, and i am a cameraman, so moving pictures is how i make a living. everyone else is doing it, i hope leica decides to join the party. like at said, it helps sell cameras.

 

That might be the very reason that Leica would not be doing it...

[Arash]

that vg10 looked interesting, until i read more. i was surprised i had not heard about it, but now i know why, it is a 60i camera.

Its not 60i, i mean even if Sony wants it to be it cannot, because sensor's output is in 30p(or if pal 25p)

It records 1080 30p movie in a 60i container, well what does it mean? it means that Sony didn't want to distract professionals from its 35mm Alexa competitor(which rumors say will cost near $50k)

If you open VG10 or nex5 files in any NLE, like vegas or avid or anything, NLE will recognize them as 30p, sony officially says it saves files in 60i container for being compatible with bluray standards(which is a big BS)

A BIG plus for VG10 is that its HDMI out is pre-compressed, so you can capture uncompressed 4:2:2 220mbps raw sensor output files from its hdmi out with a hdmi capture device like blackmagic intensity shuttle.

I didn't think you're a journalist and that’s why i saw 1dmk4's autofocus speed not that much important, but keep in mind that in movie mode vg10 and nex5 focus faster than 1dmk4.

Alexa is excellent, absolutely the best thing one can afford (it may change with the rumored sony 35mm cam, but i don’t think so), but for $1200 vg10(with 18-200 $2000) is unmatched.

Btw M9 is more than a hobbyist camera, it can do magic sometimes

[Guido]

the m9 would be my fun camera, and that is really expensive (for me) for a hobby camera, so that is why i am thinking this out carefully.

 

but i am not ready to let go of the stuff i have, they still have their place, for the foreseeable future.

To sum up: you checked out the NEX and this and that, you have the Alexa (and possibly other stuff) on order, you cling to your probably sizeable Canon collection, and now you're ogling the M9? Pretty confusing to the casual observer...!

[lennycam]

To sum up: you checked out the NEX and this and that, you have the Alexa (and possibly other stuff) on order, you cling to your probably sizeable Canon collection, and now you're ogling the M9? Pretty confusing to the casual observer...!

 

yeah, i guess it's the gemini thing. can't ever make a decision. i think about it for ever and ever, and then, BLAM, i impulse buy something completely different.

 

it's not easy being me... or being around me.

[Archiver]

The real question is what you expect the M10 to do that the M9 does not. You want good video? Many others here have offered solutions for that desire already. I have a 5D MarkII and the video is superb, and while I sometimes wish that my M9 took video, I don't think this will be on the cards for a long time.

 

The M9 is my first Leica, and I did hold off from buying a M8 until the M9 had been out for a while. Perhaps the best photographic equipment decision I've made. The M9 is here, it takes superb images, and it will serve you very well for the next 3-5 years before the M10 is released. I just bought a M7, but I shoot the M9 like there is no tomorrow due to the ease of digital capture. My rangefinder skills have really shot up since going digital, too.

 

If you can afford it, do it.

[tobey bilek]

Life is too short. Never wait for something that may never come.

 

If you did wait, you would never buy a computer or auto or almost anything.

 

 

Buy a video camera if you want one. They are better for video anyway.

 

Agreed with MP. Get one before they are all sold as they are surely out of production although Leica will not admit it.

[bill]

Agreed with MP. Get one before they are all sold as they are surely out of production although Leica will not admit it.

 

Proof of this libellous statement?

 

Tell you what, the one I had made for me a la carte would indicate to the contrary, as would the testimony of those who have been to the factory and seen them being made, and of course the statements by Leica.

 

What is it with you people and your glass-half-full mentality?? Sheesh!

[Scott Root]

Leica could release an M9.2 within a year that incorporates technology from the development of the S2 in respect to processing power since that is what makes the M9 less than perfect for many people. To my knowlede, an increase in processing power would not only result in an increase in the rate of processing and picture reivew, but also slightly improve IQ. Perhaps Leica will offer an upgrade program for this if it only requires a switching out of a motherboard. It could be relatively cost effective if it does not require switching out the shutter and sensor. An upgrade program may succeed in appeasing "early" adopters of the M9 that would otherwise be upset about the release of an M10 before the end of 2011.

 

My guess is that the M10 is three years in the future and will incorporate projected frame lines and take other radical steps such as dropping the base plate and incorporate weather proofing.

 

I'm not a soothsayer, but the aforementioned seems probable to me in view of the fact that M9 sales will begin to drop in 2011 and the upgrade program could be used as a cash cow while time is bought for the release of an M10. Realising an M10 next year, as described herein, would constitute tapping the same consumer base too often for the cost of a new camera. The m series user base is limited and there is a limit to the extent it can be tapped.

[Bo_Lorentzen]

Scott,

 

While lovely predictions, this seems rater flawed to me.

 

There will be no upgrade program.

 

I can envision a m9.2 about a year before a 10 is announced... Maybe.

 

9.2 will have some incremental improvements, such as Safire glass... Little nice stuff.

 

That's all good but not terrible important rally, the real issue is why we buy the camera, you mention that early adopters will be upset if there is no upgrade program... That would be true if they got the camera to just have one.... I got one of the first in LA and could not care less if it ever have a upgrade, the point is that I got it to use it, and have been using it ever since I got it.... If there is a 9.2 I may or may not get one,.. I will probably get a m10 when it hits.......... But neve for a second do I regret getting my m9 - simply because It have been instrumental in creating so many great images already.

 

So the question to wait or get ome now, really depends on what you intend to do with it, if it is a gasp sum kind of money...and you don't want to scratch it up.... Then one might as well wait for the m11 but if you ar going to go out there and wear off the paint and create some images.... Run don't walk to the nearest m9 store and get going.

 

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[SJP]

I am waiting for the M12 ...hell no maybe the M13 or M14 if it comes with a visoflex and self sticking vulcanite:D

 

Digital camera's are not evolving very fast anymore IMHO - I could buy the M9 if I wanted to but the M8 is good enough for my lowly talents.

 

Do we need ISO 3600 and above?? Are the lenses going to get much better? (Answer for those ones is NO for me)