phancj Posted October 12, 2010 Share #181 Posted October 12, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) As long as we are happy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RichardM8 Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share #182 Posted October 12, 2010 I know, let me know when you have returned it so I can give Pieter a call and do the same thing With great sadness I have to inform you that I will return it to Pieter tomorrow morning. Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Murray-White Posted October 12, 2010 Share #183 Posted October 12, 2010 Like many people I too have been pondering over M9 v any other FF. To give myself an intro into RF I bought a Fuji GW67111 which could also give me the bonus of printing very large. For digital I currently use an E-3. I am a marble sculptor and my primary interest in photography is always to be able to supply pictures of the sculptures, for web and catalogue printing. The sculptures are too heavy to move around in a photography studio so I've developed ways that I'm quite satisfied with in my sculpture studio. I use Zeiss CY and Leica R lenses on the E-3 set on a tripod and focussed in live view 10x magnification, these pretty much give me the look I'm after. I have an interest in landscape photography or more correctly a particular type of landscape situation, hence the Fuji. I have the intention to exhibit these landscapes as large/ish prints. The E-3 is just about at its limit for 300dpi files for the catalogue printers, so.......the thought is FF with fabulous image quality, the obvious and logical choice is 5DMk11 with the Lieca and Zeiss lenses for both the sculptures and printable landscapes basically a FF version of what I'm using now. But along comes M9 and the possibility of a bit more 3d, maybe nicer DR, some magic.So M9 on a tripod used as a studio camera v 5Dmk11 - what do you reckon? Others say forget both and go D3x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted October 12, 2010 Share #184 Posted October 12, 2010 i say take the leap and get the m9 -- i did and couldn't be happier. there is such a thing a design impacting people's relationship to a product. you are an artist and i think there will be something about holding a camera with the feel and design of an m9 that will make it a product will have and cherish for a long time and use in ways you have yet to believe will be possible -- at least until you get caught in the rain and have to buy the m10 :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted October 13, 2010 Author Share #185 Posted October 13, 2010 My last shot with the loan M8. Not razor sharp but I still like it. I have to return the M in a few hours. I have enjoyed the images and using the M8 immensely. Much more than I thought. Before this week I reckoned there was quite a bit of hype to it and I was curious if this was mostly the rose-tinted view of M owners (and what I expected to be honest). The past week made clear that this isn't the case. Or that I'm very susceptible to the hype and pink shades. Probably a bit of both... The (or my) brain is a weird place. The quirks, limitations and weak points seem to make me like the camera even more instead of the other way around. How crazy is that? A tacky cliche, I know, but it really is a on-of-a- kind instrument that you have to learn and master. This requires skill, time and determination. And this makes it even more fascinating and appealing. And when you get it all right the images simply blow me away. Another cliche but no other digital camera offers this experience nor demands this way of shooting. It's unique. With an equally unique price-tag, bumpy quality control and a silly high rate of cosmetic wear. Sorry, patin! I think it's clear that I lean strongly towards buying an M9 with a - I think - a 35 Cron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 13, 2010 Share #186 Posted October 13, 2010 hi Clive perhaps go to film and bye a Hasselblad SWC, but some of the previous models, before lead was forbidden in the lenses. This Carl Zeis 38mm Biogon might be suited for your sculptures, perhaps use a Fuji Velvia dia-film and get it scanned properly by a lab. with a Imacon or Hasselblad scanner or a drum-scanner. And then you have got sharp files on ca. 200Mb from which you can get 1,5-2 meter prints I would think (enlarged digi-analog on real glossy photopaper) A Hasselblad digital with the Fuji-made lens, I think, will not do the sufficient sharpnes. And unfortunatly they are not fullframe. But yes the M9 with its more sculptures drawings (when you hit the right light etc.) might also, if you dont need 1,5-2 meter prints. Dont know how large you can print with an M9 file. thorkil The D3x will be a bit more flat and uninspiring than the M9 and SWC, and the 5DII too I gues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 13, 2010 Share #187 Posted October 13, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) what a nice picture Richard! then we all are looking forward to see the M9 pictures from you so soon....yes your conclusions seems spot on...even though I will mis the little drama and drawing interest from a 24mm or an 28mm....so perhaps in one or two weeks you will returns with fresh and nice pictures:p thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted October 13, 2010 Author Share #188 Posted October 13, 2010 Thank you Thorkil ! Well, a week or two would be great but I think it might be a lot longer. My dealer has a waiting list (...) for the M9. This list is getting shorter but still there. Guess I'll be looking at a month at least. Nearly all lenses are available though. But now the next dilemma dawns on me. Which color?!? When brand new I think I prefer the silver/gray version. But the black version looks better with wear and use imo. And as the M9 paint seems to show wear pretty quickly this might be a better choice. Ahhh... decisions decisions... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted October 13, 2010 Share #189 Posted October 13, 2010 Thank you Thorkil ! Well, a week or two would be great but I think it might be a lot longer. My dealer has a waiting list (...) for the M9. This list is getting shorter but still there. Guess I'll be looking at a month at least. Nearly all lenses are available though. But now the next dilemma dawns on me. Which color?!? When brand new I think I prefer the silver/gray version. But the black version looks better with wear and use imo. And as the M9 paint seems to show wear pretty quickly this might be a better choice. Ahhh... decisions decisions... Congrats on your decision! It is strange here there are M9s a plenty now and no lenses??!! Whatever your preference one thing for sure, the grey is more rare, there are more blacks around, at least this part of the world. I confirmed this fact with the manager in the boutique too, so if rarity is your thing then the grey. Both are equally nice IMO. Good luck and have fun! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Murray-White Posted October 13, 2010 Share #190 Posted October 13, 2010 Thanks for the thread Richard it has been great watching the thought processes unfold - I think I'm a little way off from plonking the money down, maybe cautious - I'd go the black but then, artists always go for black. ThorkilB thanks for that - I had a Mamiya RB but really my interest in photography has gathered momentum since digital - I think its the instant gratification, I find the Fuji RF is a lot more engaging than the RB - just nice to use. 50mm is my lens of choice, wides distort the form of sculptures a little too much, even portrait 80's can get me what I'm looking for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 13, 2010 Share #191 Posted October 13, 2010 ..richard, yes I gues the most rational, normal, useable and all-rounding lense would be the 35, but..I just have an soft spot for the wider, that perhaps force you to get nearer, like the b&w couple, which are a bit challenging...and when you succeed gives a greater kick in the brain-cells...(but my wife hate the 14mm on the D3, which gives her (Nausea??) /makes her nearby puke... colour....my M6 is black, the swc etc., but if it wears more quickly (but that you particualy liked?) then the crome, which are no crome I can understand, on the grey are more resistance, then...but..but I just have the week spot for black ones. I think my cameras must be black, never liked the crome, which gave a toy-like-look to me.. (could'nt you perhaps just borrow a 24 elmarit in the store before you decide for the 35..(and perhaps a 28)..and show us..so we can continue with od advices) and Clive you are completely right about the mis-drawing with the wide ones, and..but if you dont need big enlargements, and just want to go for the last, final and spooky touch, then grab the M9, (I should/would mean.) thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 13, 2010 Share #192 Posted October 13, 2010 and just this little thought....perhaps we are talking which seems as minor details....and perhaps hasselblad with Carl Zeiss is around 2% above lets say Mamiya, and perhaps Leica M are 1% above Carl Zeiss, not in sharpnes, but in mood....but if its this 1 and only percent that get us up from the armchair and moves us...then wouldn't it all be worthwhile, with that decision...??? thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_w Posted October 13, 2010 Share #193 Posted October 13, 2010 Thanks for the thread Richard it has been great watching the thought processes unfold - I think I'm a little way off from plonking the money down, maybe cautious - I'd go the black but then, artists always go for black. Richard, just want to add my thanks as well. An interesting thread to follow over a number of days -- almost a case study in the Leica M buying decision. Thanks for taking the time to do it thoroughly and document your reactions. Good luck with your new friend once your dealer can supply it! Look forward to more photos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimver Posted October 13, 2010 Share #194 Posted October 13, 2010 Thank you Thorkil ! Well, a week or two would be great but I think it might be a lot longer. My dealer has a waiting list (...) for the M9. This list is getting shorter but still there. Guess I'll be looking at a month at least. Nearly all lenses are available though. But now the next dilemma dawns on me. Which color?!? When brand new I think I prefer the silver/gray version. But the black version looks better with wear and use imo. And as the M9 paint seems to show wear pretty quickly this might be a better choice. Ahhh... decisions decisions... Black of course (trying to find time to go and see Pieter) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 14, 2010 Share #195 Posted October 14, 2010 Are we all agreed then? (Richard doesn't like to do things that noone supports.) Should he order the d*mn thing tomorrow, regardless of the pitiful amount of pennies he'll receive for his hardly used X1 + faultless leatherette baguette in p-x? Then there is: 1) What colour? Black. 2) What lens? 35 Summicron (50 will follow at Christmas). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mboerma Posted October 14, 2010 Share #196 Posted October 14, 2010 My vote is for the steel gray and the 28mm Summicron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted October 14, 2010 Share #197 Posted October 14, 2010 Are we all agreed then? (Richard doesn't like to do things that noone supports.) Should he order the d*mn thing tomorrow, regardless of the pitiful amount of pennies he'll receive for his hardly used X1 + faultless leatherette baguette in p-x? Then there is: 1) What colour? Black. 2) What lens? 35 Summicron (50 will follow at Christmas). Mike, I think he WILL buy the M9 black with the 35 cron, but I do NOT think he'll sell the X1, at least yet... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share #198 Posted October 14, 2010 Heheheheh.... the concern is touching guys... IF I decide to order an M9 it will be black with a 35 Cron. But then, the various suggestions for a 28 do make me (re)think a bit. Not because I think this would be better than a 35 but at some point I like to add a 50 cron too I think(!). For some reason I feel that a 35 and a 50 are somewhat too close to each other. But I don't have any experience with either yet so... Oh and yes, the X1 will go. Imo there is no reason or value to keep both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 14, 2010 Share #199 Posted October 14, 2010 Mike, I think he WILL buy the M9 black with the 35 cron, but I do NOT think he'll sell the X1, at least yet... Well, I've got 24 hrs then to convince him to get rid of the tourist toy camera. I usually get my man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 14, 2010 Share #200 Posted October 14, 2010 I feel like a medium. Maybe I am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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