Should I take the M9 jump!

[ThorkilB]

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Richard, perhaps it would be a wise and cheap investment to by acces to his reviews. Thanks

Thorkil

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[ThorkilB]

Hi Richard... I've been offered a M8 for 1.330 Euro but when you look at Steve Huff's review even though he is rather non-scientistic, it confirm that the colors still are wird with the M8 compared with rich and normal colors at the M9.

Have you seen this tred, I guess so:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/123582-m9-versus-m8.html

So if its true I have to wait for a M9.

But perhaps it all matters of how cleaver you are in processing. Your pictures were looking quite natural in colors. But I'm not at all clever in all that processing. So most of the pictures have to be honest and straight out of the box.

And then perhaps the only alternativ is....M9... don't you think? At the time beeing I cant bear any more wrong investments...

thorkil

(no I havn't yet been looking at Sean Reid rewievs)

[Clive Murray-White]

ThorkilB That looks like a very nice price to me. Mine cost Euro 1,670 equiv in AU$ and I though that was good.

 

I've read much of the thread link you've posted and don't quite understand how you come to the conclusion: So if its true I have to wait for a M9. My interpretation would say that the thread said buy M8 if you don't really need full frame. Or more correctly you could say both sides of the argument made their points roughly equally.

 

Since getting my M8, only shooting RAW, I've never thought that the images straight out of the camera require anything more than very basic processing abilities, in fact I think that I've hardly ever had to move from the basic tools in Library (Lightroom) to Develop. The colours etc are superb.

 

My own view is that when we read the Huffs etc of this world we tend focus on some rediculously small detail and blow it up in our minds to the point it becomes an imaginary but significant problem.

 

My first thought when I got mine was to dream up a really difficult White Balance situation to see if how badly I could confuse it, fortunately I had work to do taking pictures of a new sculpture.

 

I think I could find a problem or 2 with just about any camera if put my mind to it, I tend to think it's far wiser to try to discover its real sweet spots and allow them to push my image making forward.

 

Why depress ourselves when there's really no need to.

[RichardM8]

I haven't seen any weird of off colors in the 200+ frames I shot with the loan M8 I had. They are in Lightroom mixed with my X1 shots. Nothing wrong with the M8 colors. In fact I think they're excellent.

Of course the M8 needs an IR filter and I don't know if the firmware version plays a role here too.

[RichardM8]

Martin, I don't understand your post. Is it aimed at me?

 

Richard.

[ThorkilB]

ok, thank you Clive and Richard! I will consider it once more...as a affordable "last station" on the road.

Thorkil

[RichardM8]

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Thorkil,

If it's in good nick I think 1.330,- is a price to consider very seriously imo. The M8 will give you the full 'M experience' at a fraction of the cost of a new M9. And more important, at this price you'll won't loose much - if any - money on it if you decide to upgrade to the M9 or whatever at some point.

 

Oh and I nag on this one once more. The last time, I promise! Please read the excellent M9 review from Sean Reid (and his various M8x reviews too btw). This will give you much more insight on the M cameras than any other review I've read. And I think I've read 95% of them. I really think this will be the best few bucks you've spend on this...

 

Richard.

[MikeD700]

'm not going to lie, but it's not very.... i cant find the right word...

Anyways, you have commas in the wrong places. There should be periods instead of exclamation points at the end of some sentences. The part where he said "I'm uh sexy" that sounds unreal. It could be a good story you just need to work on it.

 

 

"I'm uh sexy". Gold!

[MikeD700]

Thorkil,

If it's in good nick I think 1.330,- is a price to consider very seriously imo. The M8 will give you the full 'M experience' at a fraction of the cost of a new M9. And more important, at this price you'll won't loose much - if any - money on it if you decide to upgrade to the M9 or whatever at some point.

 

Oh and I nag on this one once more. The last time, I promise! Please read the excellent M9 review from Sean Reid (and his various M8x reviews too btw). This will give you much more insight on the M cameras than any other review I've read. And I think I've read 95% of them. I really think this will be the best few bucks you've spend on this...

 

Richard.

 

I'd rather look at photographs than at reviews. But that's just me

All the commas (not: comma's) in the right place Martin.Maurice?

[ThorkilB]

Thanks Richard, yes I will do that..! And yes I'm longing for my M6-feeling without devoloping and scanning problems, and the lenses are waiting too..

Besides that, a "professor" in photografy here in Copenhagen says that Capture One Pro still is the best RAW-developer on earth. But should perhaps consider Lightroom.

I'll see if I can be allowed to take a close look at Reids reviews between work, shopping and cooking:) but have to keep even an M8 as a secret, until I honestly can say "oh..that one, my dear?...that I bought a long time ago..." (same trick as she uses)

Thorkil

[Crowdedhousenl]

Richard.....To X1 or not To X1

 

I think this way:

 

1. If you're satisfied to have 1 lens only, so on ephotographic angle, which

is about a 35 on the X, than stick with that !

IQ of the X1 is ok, lens quality is ok, portability is ok and you will never have

dust on your sensor.

 

2. You want more, as most human beings

You want a 50 cron, only a 50 ? or maybe a 90 and a superb 24..

Well than you need a system...a M9

With that M9 you get 18mp, more than enough for a long time, still

very portable, huge choice ousingf lenses to fulfill your need of shooting angle, but

also using glass with special redering like old Leitz lensen.

last but not least...choice out of Leitz, Zeiss and Voigtlander, from the 7500 euro

Noctilux 50/1.0 to a 350 euro Voigtlander.

 

It starts with the 5495,- euro M9 and an extra battery....

Than it's up to you weather you choose a 2950, euro 50 summilux or a 999 euro Nokton 50 1.1. Voigtlander, sure sometimes expensive is much better, but more it is different. Especially Zeiss and Voigtlander (both Cosina productions) prove the last years to build very good lenses for a good price. Read about it with Steve Huff, Lloyd Chambers and Reid Review.

 

To me it bring a mix of Leitz, Zeiss and the Nokton 50/1.1

 

Of course 'The Leica Man', as Kenn Rockwell kindly name him, only buys Leica and only the fastest, summilux and noct, whatever it cost...

[RichardM8]

I'd rather look at photographs than at reviews. But that's just me

 

 

Not all of us are lucky enough not to be influenced or get prejudiced from information on forums like this one and the numerous (re)views and test out there. And in my view, most of them are not that good and/or accurate. I also find it pretty difficult to distinguish well meant advise and views from enthusiastic owners (who have spend a considerable amount of money on their gear when it concerns Leica) from simple facts.

 

I think there is a lot of value in thorough, in depth equipment reviews. Which are very rare imo. They help me to interpret and weight the numerous posts like "I got model X and never looked back", "It's so much better!", "night & day difference/improvement!", "You won't regret it!" etc. etc. etc. We all know them.

 

And to look at photos Mike, this is your hangout:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/photo-forum/

[Ecaton]

My I suggest to end this thread. It's going nowhere.

And in order to do so, Richard ought to buy an M9. In which case he will either start thread a) or . With a) being: why I regret my purchase, and : why I don't regret my purchase.

[ThorkilB]

it might be voluntarily...to look here inside...but don't know if other psycologicals aspects are playing games with people, so some might get lost in the sharp corners:rolleyes:...such as beggin ones wife not to buy candy, for else ones spine is just like a cooked spaghetti and...you will take a closer look at it... (don't know how to pronounce it precise in english...)

[RichardM8]

My I suggest to end this thread. It's going nowhere.

And in order to do so, Richard ought to buy an M9. In which case he will either start thread a) or . With a) being: why I regret my purchase, and : why I don't regret my purchase.

 

You concern is touching Ecaton...

But as it stands, I won't be buying an M9. If anything it will be a s/h or demo M8.2

 

Sorry...

[MikeD700]

Still close to a decision then, albeit another one. Maybe this thread could be renamed:

 

"Should I take the M8 jump!"

or

"Should I take the M8.2 jump!"

Mmmm.

[ThorkilB]

Yes it should be (named the M8...), but still no question about it, we are longing for the M9, but we realize that the american economical crices are rolling all over europe, and it wont stop (perhaps at first when we have become totally "developing countries") the next minutes..(the east rules...)..we have to withdraw and reconsider our previous optimistic approach to life...but nevertheless, Mike, you can now reach out, and jump aboard the M8-wagon...

[RichardM8]

Heheheh... As noted earlier in this thread the exclamation mark in the title was a typo and should have been a question mark. But thread titles cannot be edited on this forum.

 

So... "Should I take the M9 jump?"

 

And it looks like the answer will be "No, but probably an M8.2"

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[ThorkilB]

just a thought...should one foresake the M8 in favour of the M8.2? Is the shutter a "Clonk-one" i the M8? I hate to attrack attention...and other importent things in difference?

[RichardM8]

As far as I know the differences in favor of the .2 are the silent shutter, sapphire glass on the LCD, different vulcanite and the black Leica dot and black fash-shoe.