mboerma Posted October 11, 2010 Share #141 Posted October 11, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Somehow I knew you were going to say that... hahahah, Now even more after reading you posts about primes only and selfimposed limitations.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RichardM8 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Share #142 Posted October 11, 2010 @Maarten, a D700 and an M9 eh?... you're a dangerous - and well equiped - man. Be gentle though. Mike really wants an M and does so for a long time. It's just that the Leica fanboy site from Steve Huff (that I sort of like btw) made him sour against Leica. Now he's shouting to the world/himself that he really doesn't want one. By now he's put himself in a position that he can't anymore without loosing face big time. Go easy on him... He's not to be envied. We're at totally different frequencies on our other passion too. Stiff-necked loving his MV as I do my KTM Supermotard. Can it be further apart?? But he's a nice guy!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 11, 2010 Share #143 Posted October 11, 2010 Flattery will get you nowhere! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 11, 2010 Share #144 Posted October 11, 2010 yes...I learned to drive 150-200m at the rearwheel from each stoplights...very easy task... and what a sound (even ferrari could't make it better..) good for the health that one grow up....and get a bit older....and the rust takes over:p yes I have had Nikon all my life...and when I was taken pictures in venice with the Hasselblad SWC I used a Nikon as lightmeater, nothing can compete with the Nikon matrix mesuring, ...and yes I should perhaps change it to a D700 and primes, but....the only cameras I ever have falled in love with is the M6 and the SWC, just so nice and friendly cameras and they kept me feeling smiling and friendly in the mood...and the pictures... I am sorry...from the D3 are a bit flat and booring, that I only used it at work (sorry my friend Nikon co.). and film and scanning that is just not working quit with me anymore. And the only-film area has gone...so what then?...I gues..its only the M9 or nothing...I have to be in love with the camera, else it will collect dust on the shelf... Thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mboerma Posted October 11, 2010 Share #145 Posted October 11, 2010 @Maarten, a D700 and an M9 eh?... you're a dangerous - and well equiped - man. Be gentle though. Mike really wants an M and does so for a long time. It's just that the Leica fanboy site from Steve Huff (that I sort of like btw) made him sour against Leica. Now he's shouting to the world/himself that he really doesn't want one. By now he's put himself in a position that he can't anymore without loosing face big time. Go easy on him... He's not to be envied. We're at totally different frequencies on our other passion too. Stiff-necked loving his MV as I do my KTM Supermotard. Can it be further apart?? But he's a nice guy!! I'll be gentle... I just tell him things he already knows. I recently did a trip with a friend to Bhutan. He carried two D700's and he was so jealous every time we did a hike up a mountain. Or even when shooting in dark monasteries I had the advantage of fast lenses and no mirror flapping... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 11, 2010 Share #146 Posted October 11, 2010 Why anyone would want to hike up a mountain with two D700's and probably assorted lenses is beyond me. On a two week holiday this summer in 40 degrs C, the D700 with 35, 50 and 85 in a Domke Slightly Smaller bag proved not to be a problem at all. Just so you know... Oh, and the high ISO performance of the D700 is such that even with the 2.0/35 Distagon a dark monastery is easy stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 11, 2010 Share #147 Posted October 11, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...no, it can take it even in a dark celler, I know....but it will be more flat than with an M9...and richards bridge-picture, the Nikons cant compete with 3-dimensional feeling I think.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 11, 2010 Share #148 Posted October 11, 2010 ps the evening bridge-picture from the old center of amsterdam I ment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 11, 2010 Share #149 Posted October 11, 2010 ...no, it can take it even in a dark celler, I know....but it will be more flat than with an M9...and richards bridge-picture, the Nikons cant compete with 3-dimensional feeling I think.. Try Zeiss glass on the D700 Thorkil; slightly warmer look than Leitz glass as far as I can see, very sharp and that famous Zeiss 3D look! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Share #150 Posted October 11, 2010 This week with the M8 has been a fascinating and inspiring experience so far. If anything, it's great to get a taste of what all the fuss is about that surrounds the Leica M cameras. And so far, quite a lot of that fuss seems to make sense and/or is true. There's no need to go over hem again but for me the dense, compact size, the way they feel and sit in your hands, the viewfinder and the active way of shooting (focussing, aperture, keeping an eye on the metering etc.) appeal the most to me. I turns shooting images (back) into a craft/skill instead pushing a button and let the camera do its thing. Not a craft that I'm even remotely mastering but it's so much more fun trying to this way. And there's certainly the look of the images. Very very good. Stunning if you get it all right. If this was 'only' *cough cough* about price, speed and high ISO performance it would be so easy. Just get a 5DII or a D700 with a few good primes and you're all set. Technically perfect files will be flying on your harddrive in abundance. But I've found - or learned from the M more than from any other camera - that there's much more to it than speed and perfect files. I love the M. I love using it and most of all, it inspires me to learn and master it as good as I can. If all this is enough to shell out a truckload of money is the big question. Although some think otherwise, I'm not sure yet. But as many reviews - Leica minded or not - say, it really is something you should try. Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 11, 2010 Share #151 Posted October 11, 2010 He's a goner.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Share #152 Posted October 11, 2010 The D700? Congrats Mike !!!! I'll forget everything you've ever said about Leicas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 11, 2010 Share #153 Posted October 11, 2010 ... hi mike..no I wont...but I am a big fan of zeis, the 38mm biogon on the SWC and a 50mm Distagon 2.8 on my hassy 201F, and yes they are pin-sharp and I love them. But the sharpnes are in another way: I just know from my M6 and the 21mm Elmarit(it has to be that because its small) that I sometimes could get this room-feeling and this sculpturenes that I did'nt quit get with the Zeis-lenses. I know it looks from outside like a religious discission. But offcourse it also has something to do with shape, size, funktion, and frightening people, the mechanical feel, the ablenees for hip-shots etc., and that its ok to look like an amateur, the others feel a little sorry for, really a nice feeling (which the heavy-brandening from Leica yet is spoling a bit)...but if the SWC was full-frame digital with light-meetering and no more bulk...then...but reality is that the M9 is the nearest option, even its too expensive, I will save an survive that long, and not the least, I know fromt the M6, I will love it...its primitive in lovely complicated way...so to say... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 11, 2010 Share #154 Posted October 11, 2010 ... hi mike..no I wont...but I am a big fan of zeis, the 38mm biogon on the SWC and a 50mm Distagon 2.8 on my hassy 201F, and yes they are pin-sharp and I love them.But the sharpnes are in another way: I just know from my M6 and the 21mm Elmarit(it has to be that because its small) that I sometimes could get this room-feeling and this sculpturenes that I did'nt quit get with the Zeis-lenses. I know it looks from outside like a religious discission. But offcourse it also has something to do with shape, size, funktion, and frightening people, the mechanical feel, the ablenees for hip-shots etc., and that its ok to look like an amateur, the others feel a little sorry for, really a nice feeling (which the heavy-brandening from Leica yet is spoling a bit)...but if the SWC was full-frame digital with light-meetering and no more bulk...then...but reality is that the M9 is the nearest option, even its too expensive, I will save an survive that long, and not the least, I know fromt the M6, I will love it...its primitive in lovely complicated way...so to say... +1! And I agree on the Nikkors, compared to Zeiss and Leitz their rendering appears to be a little lifeless. Whatever. I'm perfectly satisfied with what I have, and as we all know, you can only shoot with what you have, not with what you don't have... I'll leave the "lusting" to others; I'll do the shooting! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Share #155 Posted October 11, 2010 I'll leave the "lusting" to others; I'll do the shooting! You didn't really key'd that in yourself now did you?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 11, 2010 Share #156 Posted October 11, 2010 Heh heh... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 11, 2010 Share #157 Posted October 11, 2010 ..its just fine to have someone outthere shooting around I think... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Share #158 Posted October 11, 2010 When I have time between the 'lusting' I try to shoot a bit too. I'm not a strong B&W fan but for some images it works well like this one imo. Shot 'candid' from my lap. Camera pre-set and estimated focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 11, 2010 Share #159 Posted October 11, 2010 I like that picture, nice sharp, with a sort of "noisy" perspective in the outmost good sense(to wake up on...you have to get awaked by a picture), a sort of oldfascion. One can get stunned when you see the old pictures, how sharp they really were. It remind a bit of these pictures here, I link you, from a street-shooting lady in Chicago, what a life in the streets at that time. But a hint of these qualities...and thats not so bad... Vivian Maier - Her Discovered Work Thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 11, 2010 Share #160 Posted October 11, 2010 Yes, it's certainly sharp... sharp all over! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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