h00ligan Posted September 28, 2010 Share #21 Posted September 28, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, I can see the LCD on the x1 in mid day sun in the middle of the. Desert, even with sunglasses on..fwiw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 28, 2010 Posted September 28, 2010 Hi h00ligan, Take a look here An EVF for X1?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
NZDavid Posted September 29, 2010 Share #22 Posted September 29, 2010 I can see the LCD all right, just not the subject details so well. Only way to illustrate this is by shooting a pic of the LCD in bright light. Don't have one so far... Sean Reid on http://www.reidreviews.com (subscription site) has a big essay on "seeing the subject". CJ, in Singapore how have you got on shooting the big wheel at midday? Looked pretty contrasty to me! In brief, everyone's VF experience will be different. In any case, it is solved by using a decent OVF! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 29, 2010 Share #23 Posted September 29, 2010 I can see the LCD all right, just not the subject details so well. Only way to illustrate this is by shooting a pic of the LCD in bright light. Don't have one so far... Sean Reid on http://www.reidreviews.com (subscription site) has a big essay on "seeing the subject". CJ, in Singapore how have you got on shooting the big wheel at midday? Looked pretty contrasty to me! In brief, everyone's VF experience will be different. In any case, it is solved by using a decent OVF! hey David, maybe I go check out the big wheel sometime, and see what I can get. I enjoy night shots more, weather so much more enjoyable. it's so humid its irritating, part of the reason why I like a tiny camera. Lugging around giant DSLR with humongous prime lens not my idea of fun anymore in the heat plus humidity. My frequent trips to India is even more hot and humid. I am hoping the X2 or equivalent form any other manufacturer can be smaller than the X1, really. In view of my requirement for size, I am fine with them stripping the VF, flash, or other components I do not need. I need big sensor and nice lens only haha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted September 29, 2010 Share #24 Posted September 29, 2010 Back in March Singapore was blazing hot. Those cooling fruit smoothies were a lifesaver! Years ago -- mid 90s -- we took the train to Malacca, also blazing hot. Just took a small rangefinder (Oly 35 back then). Couldn't agree more about keeping it light. I find the Leica M with just a couple of lenses is also very easy to tote around. The X1 is ultra light. I think a viewfinder in place of the flash would be good, but can't see them doing it. The original mid-30s Leica Standard had no optical VF, just a double hotshoe so you could mount all manner of accessories including a viewfinder. I don't mind clip-on VFs because they are often clearer and brighter than using a built-in pokey one. And yet so many great pictures were taken using the Barnack screwmount Leicas with their dinky finders... The game-changer was the M3 in 1954 with its big bright clear optical viewfinder which is still one of the best even today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 30, 2010 Share #25 Posted September 30, 2010 Back in March Singapore was blazing hot. Those cooling fruit smoothies were a lifesaver! Years ago -- mid 90s -- we took the train to Malacca, also blazing hot. Just took a small rangefinder (Oly 35 back then). Couldn't agree more about keeping it light. I find the Leica M with just a couple of lenses is also very easy to tote around. The X1 is ultra light. I think a viewfinder in place of the flash would be good, but can't see them doing it. The original mid-30s Leica Standard had no optical VF, just a double hotshoe so you could mount all manner of accessories including a viewfinder. I don't mind clip-on VFs because they are often clearer and brighter than using a built-in pokey one. And yet so many great pictures were taken using the Barnack screwmount Leicas with their dinky finders... The game-changer was the M3 in 1954 with its big bright clear optical viewfinder which is still one of the best even today. A gentleman with his wife from Scotland came in to my shop today. Even withj the air-conditioning, he was perspiring and drenched the whole 15 minutes we were conversing. It's that hot and humid out there. Hot is fine, humid is not. But I am used to it now. I cannot wait for them to squeeze these sensors into a tinier body even, hopefully a compact with mft. That'll do too. of course APS will be better... Thought they may do that for the zuiko compact, but found out no. I agree 100% for the VF to be useful, it must be big, bright and clear, so it seems clip on OVF is the way to go. EVF not quite there yet. Anything built-in generally seems smaller to me so not so comfortable. If they build a nice and big built-in VF like the optional one for the X1 I cannot complain. But is that possible given the fact I also want the camera to be ultra small?? I like Malacca, went there 10 years ago, lots of nice food, people, and went horse riding. Great place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted September 30, 2010 Share #26 Posted September 30, 2010 A while ago I go acquainted with a guy that was shooting with an old Nikon F2 + 35 prime and Tri-X film at my local bar. After I got to know him better during the following weeks & months it turned out he is the product manager for Nikon lenses for Europe and a fanatical photographer while at it. The new P7000 premium compact that Nikon just released has an OVF too and gets praise around the web for this on the various review sites. In reality the OVF is only there for marketing reasons. Nikon knows that 98% of the buyers will never ever use the OVF but it simply must have one because of competition (Canon), the 'expert views' of the review sites that preach the importance of an OVF and as a result, customers who are convinced they need one too. So the P7000 got an OVF. Regardless the considerable impact on the design of the camera to get it crammed in there. Nikon (and Canon) know from extensive market/customer research nobody will actually use it. Amazing how market dynamics like this have an impact on camera design. Very interesting to talk cameras' an photography with somebody from 'the other side of the fence'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted September 30, 2010 Share #27 Posted September 30, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) The original mid-30s Leica Standard had no optical VF, just a double hotshoe so you could mount all manner of accessories including a viewfinder. Not so. All the production Leicas from the beginning had a fixed 50mm viewfinder. The first to have a second accessory shoe instead (not a hotshoe, they weren't invented until much later) were the postwar Ic and If. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 30, 2010 Share #28 Posted September 30, 2010 A while ago I go acquainted with a guy that was shooting with an old Nikon F2 + 35 prime and Tri-X film at my local bar. After I got to know him better during the following weeks & months it turned out he is the product manager for Nikon lenses for Europe and a fanatical photographer while at it. The new P7000 premium compact that Nikon just released has an OVF too and gets praise around the web for this on the various review sites. In reality the OVF is only there for marketing reasons. Nikon knows that 98% of the buyers will never ever use the OVF but it simply must have one because of competition (Canon), the 'expert views' of the review sites that preach the importance of an OVF and as a result, customers who are convinced they need one too. So the P7000 got an OVF. Regardless the considerable impact on the design of the camera to get it crammed in there. Nikon (and Canon) know from extensive market/customer research nobody will actually use it. Amazing how market dynamics like this have an impact on camera design. Very interesting to talk cameras' an photography with somebody from 'the other side of the fence'. With many posts in this forum putting so much emphasis on VF obviously camera makers got to take notice. For me, compact cameras can do without VF, for DSLRs I think VF useful, especially for MF. But I think many in this forum seems adamant on having a VF, even in a compact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted September 30, 2010 Share #29 Posted September 30, 2010 Yes, of course I was only talking about compact cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted September 30, 2010 Share #30 Posted September 30, 2010 Not so. All the production Leicas from the beginning had a fixed 50mm viewfinder. The first to have a second accessory shoe instead (not a hotshoe, they weren't invented until much later) were the postwar Ic and If. Thank you for the correction, John. Of course, "accessory" shoe was a pre-cursor to the hotshoe. Looking at the pre-war Standard it looks like the finder is sitting in a second accessory shoe, but it must in fact be permanently mounted on the top-plate. The camera has no rangefinder. Leica Standard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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