Guest stnami Posted September 5, 2010 Share #41 Posted September 5, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) As stated by ravinj on another thread yet implies that I am a zombie here tsk tsk nasty little man...........you do remember this line of yours he first offensive comment I see posted in this thread is: "phancj evidently read it in a fortune cookie........the armchair executive type not the cheap one from the local tourist shop" Clearly the person posting this comment seems to be very arrogant and rude. I found phancj's responses to be measured despite the other person's clearly obnoxious remarks. I would suggest that the other persons comments be ignored and not responded to. No ravinj a quick look at what you produced and that is all I needed to know your ways. Then what happened about you joining your mate phancie and putting me on your ignore list? Change of mind ai? Are you going to put in another complaint to the moderators, except this time it is your derogative comment that you have to complain about, calling people zombies. Practice what you preach about so called name calling and don't be such a simplistic poster again........ funny you aren't even worth ignoring, laughing Ravinj the greatest ever bird picture taker. But I have no complaint about this as I am not two faced as you ravie, I know I am not always nice I make very nice living out of my work so don't worry about my pay packet As it is stated about the X1 spectrum of utility is a lot narrower than it should be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NZDavid Posted September 5, 2010 Share #42 Posted September 5, 2010 X1 is no good for birds, sorry. Want birds, get a DSLR. Ideal travel camera? Good at high ISOs, 35 is a very useful focal length, and the wonderful manual aperture and shutter controls are a delight (despite being too loose), but really slow AF is an issue. I think an M with its fast manual controls is more ideal! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/130007-x1-the-greatest-travel-camera-ever/?do=findComment&comment=1428619'>More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 5, 2010 Author Share #43 Posted September 5, 2010 Ravinj, trust me, take the high road like I always say, and USE THE IGNORE LIST. Life is too good to waste your time on listening to incessant growls from I suspect detractors who criticize just about everything which is fine but do it totally devoid of manners. This forum is perfect for me now, coz the ignore button ensures that you do not read any of that crap, so you can continue to learn from this site. I saw many of your photos with the X1 and they are superb. These same people do not take any images close to the ones you do, judging from the time they take to launch needless attack on not just cameras but people who post. I hate to think negatively, but I suspect these people who have axe to grind are probably losers in life so any good thing they see they are pissed haha...but they do not affect me the least bit. I am posting photos and enjoying constructive critique on this forum many of which help me tremendously to better myself. So lets continue to discuss and post your photos because I am always looking out for them, they let me know how far you can stretch the IQ of this little gem and I thank you. Alternatively, watch one of those zombie-killer movie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted September 5, 2010 Share #44 Posted September 5, 2010 Ravinj, trust me, take the high road like I always say, and USE THE IGNORE LIST. Point taken CJ. I was a bit too lazy to figure out how to use the ignore list. Went thru' FAQs and ignore list is updated, life is good now. Nightmare Before Christmas has turned into Christmas Village http://www.movieforum.com/movies/wallpapers/christmas/nightmarebeforechristmas/1024x768.shtml Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 5, 2010 Share #45 Posted September 5, 2010 Gotta love this forum the biggest complainers are the ones who are two faced........ when they get caught out with being nasty to others they fail to respond or blame someone else................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 5, 2010 Author Share #46 Posted September 5, 2010 Point taken CJ. I was a bit too lazy to figure out how to use the ignore list. Went thru' FAQs and ignore list is updated, life is good now. Nightmare Before Christmas has turned into Christmas Village http://www.movieforum.com/movies/wallpapers/christmas/nightmarebeforechristmas/1024x768.shtml Not very good IQ for that "Nightmare Before Xmas" shot eh? Should have been shot with the X1! :)CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 5, 2010 Author Share #47 Posted September 5, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just posted about the X1 in the X1 Photos thread, given my recent trip to China. I was hoping to enjoy the X1 as a travel camera more than I did, but the shutter lag on button presses really caused me to miss a lot more shots than I ever would have expected. I found it frustrating: moments of real genius, lots of very bad photos because I instinctively behaved as if it were a more typical P&S camera, because of its build. One can say, "You're not using it right," and I would be the first to agree: it's great when you use it the way it demands to be used. But I'd say that its spectrum of utility is a lot narrower than it should be. Certainly a lot narrower than what it feels like it should be. It could be a lot better. Image IQ is excellent, but overall performance of shooting should be better than it is. Hey Harry, I replied you in the X1 photos thread, some great shots you posted there! :)CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted September 5, 2010 Share #48 Posted September 5, 2010 Ah... I see this thread too has developed a nice atmosphere... Yes Chris, so much so that now I am looking at investing a good 35mm for my DSLR too! Funny, for me it worked the other way around. The last lens I bought for my Canon SLR was a manual focus Zeiss 35 f/2.0 Distagon prime. Used to various Canon lenses, primes, zooms, EPS and 'red L' this lens was a revelation for me. Both in build & feel but even more in IQ and the 'look' of the images. I never took it off after I bought it and this in turn convinced me that the fixed lens from the X1 would not be a serious limitation for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 5, 2010 Author Share #49 Posted September 5, 2010 Ah... I see this thread too has developed a nice atmosphere... Funny, for me it worked the other way around. The last lens I bought for my Canon SLR was a manual focus Zeiss 35 f/2.0 Distagon prime. Used to various Canon lenses, primes, zooms, EPS and 'red L' this lens was a revelation for me. Both in build & feel but even more in IQ and the 'look' of the images. I never took it off after I bought it and this in turn convinced me that the fixed lens from the X1 would not be a serious limitation for me. The ignore button set on a particular person can do whole lot of wonders! Yup, I may buy a 35mm for my dslr just to compare the IQ with the X1 and have a little fun, most likely I will only use the X1 when out and about since now I am afraid of the DSLR's size... BTW, happy your photos are steadily streaming in, I'm looking out for more. I have viewed them at the link you provided but having them posted on the Leica photo forum has an added dimension, I see a lot of X1 photos, more and more, being posted there. I think Andy was right about this, we should do that instead of just posting them in the X1 Photo forum, let's just post our photos everywhere! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hteasley Posted September 5, 2010 Share #50 Posted September 5, 2010 Could you be a little more specific as to what you mean by "I instinctively behaved as if it were a more typical P&S camera, because of its build." and " it's great when you use it the way it demands to be used".Thanks Small P&S cameras tend to be decent at quick casual photos, and the X1 is not. It is good at feet-planted, carefully composed shots. So is my M8. In fact, the M8 is better at snap shots than the X1: 1/250, f/8 focused on infinity, I can wave it around in a crowd, or snap shots without breaking stride, and get some interesting images. I couldn't get the same behavior from the X1, even if manually set the same way. I guess I wondered why, if careful, deliberate setup is required, why the X1 instead of the M8? The size difference isn't that great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 5, 2010 Author Share #51 Posted September 5, 2010 Hi Harry, Think if you put it on the quick AF you can wave it around and get shots too... The X1 is way smaller for me, and lighter by a lot too, plus there's AF. It is more competent at high iso too, thats important for me. the light weight, AF, high iso performance, all makes it better than an M for me. For travel that is, for macro, etc I concede an M is better. And on top of all that, it's much cheaper. So you need not worry about your investment being broken, stolen, etc,etc and enjoy the trip more thus. I have it in a tiny waist pouch all day and I do not feel it in my way at all. Not when I slug an M or DSLR, I do not like straps across my body. At the end of the day you use what you feel is good, in your case I have a nagging suspicion you havent given the X1 enough time yet, and still feel too strongly about your M? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted September 5, 2010 Share #52 Posted September 5, 2010 It's small, it's light, it's easy to pocket, it's unobtrusive, it's quiet, it produces great images at 100ISO, it produces great images at 2.8, it produces great images at 1600ISO .... Whats there not to be enthusiastic about? I new to the X1. In the month I've had it, am very pleased with the quality of the images. It's almost like shooting ASA Velvia as far as I'm concerned. The only thing I don't care for is the leather case. The camera fits very tightly into it (maybe too tight...the built-in flash always seems to pop up when I pull the camera out), but it not actually attached to it, which would be a good safety feature. My only other complaint is the lens cap...haven't lost it yet, but it is just a matter of time. And replacements don't seem to be available from big houses like B&H. Finally, having to burn memory space by having to shoot JPEGs along with my preferred RAW shots is an irritant. Overall, however, it's really super nice camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted September 5, 2010 Share #53 Posted September 5, 2010 I new to the X1. In the month I've had it, am very pleased with the quality of the images. It's almost like shooting ASA Velvia as far as I'm concerned. The only thing I don't care for is the leather case. The camera fits very tightly into it (maybe too tight...the built-in flash always seems to pop up when I pull the camera out), but it not actually attached to it, which would be a good safety feature. My only other complaint is the lens cap...haven't lost it yet, but it is just a matter of time. And replacements don't seem to be available from big houses like B&H. Finally, having to burn memory space by having to shoot JPEGs along with my preferred RAW shots is an irritant. Overall, however, it's really super nice camera. Welcome to the X1 forum. As you go through the various threads in the forum, I hope you will realize that the X1 has a really big limitation - you cannot shoot birds with it. In addition, you cannot take pictures of asteroids in outer space with the X1. Other than that, I think you will like the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB W Posted September 5, 2010 Share #54 Posted September 5, 2010 Welcome, Hobbit and thanks for your mini review. ravinj, you've clearly hit on the X1's serious shortcomings. I've forced myself to learn to live with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hteasley Posted September 5, 2010 Share #55 Posted September 5, 2010 Think if you put it on the quick AF you can wave it around and get shots too... Not really. To be explicit about it, I can set it entirely manually, and there's still lag when I press the button. 1/250 or 1/500, f/8, ISO 160, infinity focus: pretty simple settings to snap random shots on the street, and be pretty sure of getting something. But with everything manual, there's still about a quarter-second lag on the shutter. It drives me somewhat nuts. And I can't understand why this would be the case: it doesn't have to do any thinking about what it sees, I've told it what to do, and it's still laggy. This fact alone makes it virtually impossible to use for carpe diem photos: can't rely on it to get the shot. It is more competent at high iso too, thats important for me. That is something I *do* appreciate. It does handle higher ISOs much better than the M8. the light weight, AF, high iso performance, all makes it better than an M for me. For travel that is, for macro, etc I concede an M is better. I took a few thousand photos on a ten day trip, across an M3, M8, and X1. M3 had the highest percentage of technically acceptable shots, then M8, then the X1 was a distant, distant third. I missed so, so many shots with it. I probably only have 6-700 shots in with it total, so there's a lot of learning to do. I can definitely play to its strengths, but I'm trying to find ways to stretch it, to find what it can do that isn't the immediately obvious, and so far, I'm having very poor luck there. And on top of all that, it's much cheaper. So you need not worry about your investment being broken, stolen, etc,etc and enjoy the trip more thus. $2k doesn't fall into the "no worry" department, for me, anyway. If I get that Panasonic DMC-FX700K that I've been eyeing, that will be much closer to a "no-worry" camera. Right now, the X1 is close enough to the M8 that they're equal worry. At the end of the day you use what you feel is good, in your case I have a nagging suspicion you havent given the X1 enough time yet, and still feel too strongly about your M? Well, it's not out of bias that I prefer my M: I'm actually anxious to like my X1 more than I currently do. I am happy to put it through its paces for a long time, but there are things about it where it just astonishes me that it doesn't do better than it does. Then it takes a shot that is truly exceptional, and you understand why they made it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsan Posted September 5, 2010 Share #56 Posted September 5, 2010 The ordinary results produced by X1 owners is in stark contrast to some of the spectacular results produced by the m8/9 owners and this is probably due the the m owners having that edge in experience over the novices of the X1s . Not being a big seller in the pro ranks does not help the X1s cause i cant underline this, the X1 has actually quite the same IQ then the M8, a german magazine rated the X1 IQ even higher then the M8. Im not sure which Lens they used but certainly not a cheap one. The results i saw here are very good and matching the results of the M8, im sorry to say this to you. The M9 is a different calibre for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hteasley Posted September 5, 2010 Share #57 Posted September 5, 2010 i cant underline this, the X1 has actually quite the same IQ then the M8, a german magazine rated the X1 IQ even higher then the M8. Im not sure which Lens they used but certainly not a cheap one. The results i saw here are very good and matching the results of the M8, im sorry to say this to you. The M9 is a different calibre for sure. Well, as I indicated above, I'm new to my X1, but I can see definitely where the M8 would do better. In the set of Possible Photographs, the subset of Photos the M8 Can Get is, to my experience, much larger than the subset Photos the X1 Can Get. Indeed, I would say that there's only a tiny bit of the X1 set that is not contained by the M8 set: high ISO shots. The M8 is going to grab more shots under more circumstances. The X1 will take wonderful shots of what it is capable of taking shots of, which is more constrained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted September 5, 2010 Share #58 Posted September 5, 2010 The M8 is going to grab more shots under more circumstances. There's an assumption here that may not be valid. For example, it assumes the M8 will be available as often and as many places as the X1, which isn't likely for most people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hteasley Posted September 5, 2010 Share #59 Posted September 5, 2010 There's an assumption here that may not be valid. For example, it assumes the M8 will be available as often and as many places as the X1, which isn't likely for most people. It's a logically fair point, but I don't think it withstands much scrutiny. The number of shots missed due to size and weight differences between the cameras strikes me as vanishingly small, compared to, say, the number of shots missed because of moving objects for the X1 that the M8 will get. The M8 is not a huge camera. Neither is the X1 as small as a Cybershot or similar. The degree of attenuation here has got to be pretty fine. Not trying to hate on the X1. This criticism call is coming from inside the house. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted September 6, 2010 Share #60 Posted September 6, 2010 Every camera requires the photographer to compromise something, make choices to capture an image. I am sure not everyone who uses a canon 5dm2 would think M9 is the perfect camera. Similarly, not everyone in this forum would enjoy shooting a 5dm2. I believe for me the x1 isvthe best camera travel or otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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