Joe S Posted September 2, 2010 Share #21 Posted September 2, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Don't forget that Epson is currently offering a $300 rebate on the 3880 making the purchase much easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wparsonsgisnet Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share #22 Posted September 2, 2010 Thanks, Joe. Yup, it's good till 10/31. Looking for prices now. With that, I'm just north of $800 and still no refurbs Can't wait to spend the extra $500 on IP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 2, 2010 Share #23 Posted September 2, 2010 Can't wait to spend the extra $500 on IP. Ever considered QTR? Fifty bucks, I think, and now supports the 3880. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted September 2, 2010 Share #24 Posted September 2, 2010 Thanks, Joe. Yup, it's good till 10/31. Looking for prices now. With that, I'm just north of $800 and still no refurbs Can't wait to spend the extra $500 on IP. Hey Bill--I'm in the same boat; my 3800 has printed it's last, and I'm looking at a move, so I'm thinking 3880 rather than getting it fixed from Epson...and letting someone else worry about my 3800. I have the full version of ImagePrint so it will only cost me $350 for the upgrade BTW--I tried QTR but I didn't see ink-limiting (for black) so it's a no-go for me, since I like fine art papers and sometimes the black is just too thick with defaults. It's also only black and white; the colour management in ImagePrint (and their profiles) is excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share #25 Posted September 2, 2010 Just ordered the 3880 from Amazon. They ship for free, so it'll cost me 868 after the rebate. I noted really nice prices for the carts at Atlex.com The reason I use IP is that it does away with test prints. These guys always get the color right. In addition, the print module upsizes automatically, so I don't have to worry about it. If I build an 8x10 image and print it bigger, the sw does all the work. I still get the "same" detail in the print. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share #26 Posted September 2, 2010 Hey Bill--I'm in the same boat; my 3800 has printed it's last, and I'm looking at a move, so I'm thinking 3880 rather than getting it fixed from Epson...and letting someone else worry about my 3800. I have the full version of ImagePrint so it will only cost me $350 for the upgrade BTW--I tried QTR but I didn't see ink-limiting (for black) so it's a no-go for me, since I like fine art papers and sometimes the black is just too thick with defaults. It's also only black and white; the colour management in ImagePrint (and their profiles) is excellent. Hi, Jamie. Mine should arrive next week. I'll play with it before getting the IP upgrade. Glad you're saving money; we'll need it for those beers. In the meantime, I'll hoist a single-malt here and think well of you. Now, If I can get someone to think well of me .... Best regards and thanks for noting the Not-K3 inks detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 2, 2010 Share #27 Posted September 2, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) and thanks for noting the Not-K3 inks detail. Second post. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share #28 Posted September 2, 2010 Second post. Jeff Sorry, Jeff. That's twice to ignore you, as well. Many thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 2, 2010 Share #29 Posted September 2, 2010 No problem, Bill...the main thing is you made the right choice. Let us know how things work out with the new set-up. I'll be in a similar boat if and when my 3800 goes down. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share #30 Posted September 2, 2010 It's costing me about $1 a day just to own these things. Just imagine if I were a real photographer and were making prints. Just think how useful that would be. I went to a presentation by a portrait photog from Albany many years ago, when digital was starting up (he had paid more than $10k for his Kodak bodies, which were Nikon's with Kodak sensors in them I guess). He commented that he saved $37k in film processing costs during the previous year. It's just that there tukrned out to be another chapter. We are in a trend where the hardware stuff (read: computers) has to be replaced or upgraded on a regular basis. This doesn't cost as much in $, but damn I don't have this much time.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 2, 2010 Share #31 Posted September 2, 2010 Another alternative to upgrading or replacing is refurbishing. But, even if the cost is somewhat less, one is always tempted to upgrade instead since the pace of 'improvements' is so great in the digital world. Printer manufacturers also tease us into this by running great discounts on the printers, but rarely if ever on the inks. Oh, and software upgrades are the same deal, as you know. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted September 5, 2010 Share #32 Posted September 5, 2010 ...The reason I use IP is that it does away with test prints. These guys always get the color right. In addition, the print module upsizes automatically, so I don't have to worry about it. If I build an 8x10 image and print it bigger, the sw does all the work. I still get the "same" detail in the print. Bill: Yes, the ColorByte profiles are excellent. Interesting that this is the first mention of ImagePrint upsizing that I've seen. It's really excellent: I often make very large prints — for example, I've made a 38x52 inch (100x133cm) print from a Ricoh GRD (small sensor camera) file by just have ImagePrint upsize the TIFF file, rather than using Photoshop to upsize to this huge size in steps or using specialized software for this purpose. Although I know that sharpening for out put should be done on the final print-size file, I have found that applying some sharpening to the TIFF file going into ImagePrint — I don't sharpen aggressively — and then having ImagePrint upsize the file works well. Another issus is printer targeting adjustments for color prints, which may be necessary because you should not expect the “normal” Photoshop view in which you do all your editing to match your print closely because this view is optimized for your monitor — mapped to the black and white points of your monitor — without any consideration of the type of paper that your using. The following is a quote from a note on ImagePrint that I posted a long time ago to the ImagePrint group on yahoo.com, which now seems to be defunct: ...After examining your Proof Colors Photoshop previews, for some papers you may need to add a “printer targeting" adjustment layer. You do this by first making a copy of the image in Photoshop (using Duplicate in the Image menu) and view it side-by-side on the monitor with the original image to which you apply the Proof Colors facility; then, you apply a curve adjustment layer for printer targeting until the original (proof) image looks as close as possible like the copy image. You then save the original image with the printer targeting adjustment curves under a new file name for printing. This type of printer targeting layer adjustment is well described in Real World Photoshop. I find that most people have not heard on printer targeting adjustments, but these can make a great difference in the print. Do you use them? —Mitch/Bangkok Scratching the Surface© Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 5, 2010 Author Share #33 Posted September 5, 2010 Mitch, hiya. I have not yet done these adjustments and will explore them after getting the IP upgrade. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 8, 2010 Author Share #34 Posted September 8, 2010 I plunked down for the IP upgrade yesterday and should have my new dongle by Friday. Imagine being able to print (the fault of the 2400, not of IP). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblutter Posted September 8, 2010 Share #35 Posted September 8, 2010 Love my 3880 - just had to order my replacement 1st cart - the matte black of course - after boxes and boxes of 17 x 22's I'm coming from 2 R1800's - one color, one Piezography (Cone, did the workshop etc.) The B&W on the 3880 is so clear of tint I was able to dump Piezo 1800 to free up space (when I ran out of ink) The improvements from 1800 to 3880 are everything I wished for: -Never a clog yet - and I've let it sit while traveling up to a month -Big carts - don't need the 3rd party tanks anymore -Paper feeding vastly improved - tho rear is still finicky -1 size bigger paper is nice -Replaceable waste ink pads - cleaner than jerry rigging an external tank (which I once spilled) -Software has a few more settings (I think) PS: These days I'm printing about 80/20, color/B&W Prints are gorgeous but I can't see any vast improvement over the 1800. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 13, 2010 Author Share #36 Posted September 13, 2010 Little problem I could use some help with -- installed the 3880 and IP v8 for the 3880 this weekend. My prints are too yellow. I downloaded the 3880 profiles from Colorbyte and tried several of the ones for Ilford Glossy. I'm using color management before making the print, and they are *really* nice, just the wrong color. My MBP has been calibrated with a Huey. In addition, prints made on a baby Canon 4x6 printer come out the right color, and all the stuff I'm putting online look right. I'm about to call the colorbyte guys; just thot an IP user might have had this problem. Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 13, 2010 Author Share #37 Posted September 13, 2010 I just spoke with the techie at Color Byte and she had a novel suggestion: do a nozzle check. Of course, I might have thought of something like that if the printer were not BRAND new. However, I just read somewhere that Epson tests all these printers before shipping them, so a check it is, tonite. I'll report as I make my way thru this tunnel. God, I love taking pictures! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share #38 Posted September 14, 2010 Hmm...the nozzle check was perfect. Back to the techie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted September 14, 2010 Share #39 Posted September 14, 2010 Bill: A long shot, but, since IP has profiles for different types of light viewing conditions, could it be that you're using a profile made for a different type light than you are viewing the print in? —Mitch/Bangkok Scratching the Surface© Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share #40 Posted September 14, 2010 Thanks, Mitch. I've tried several of their profiles (except fluorescent). I'm going to try printing directly from PS with Ilford profiles to see what happens. Then I'll have more info for the next call to Color Byte. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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